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salsa really standing in the clearing he

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Alejandro hello hello and you are a new

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homeowner congratulations thank you yeah

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I'm not feeling good

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you're not feeling

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good and you're a triple - come on I'm

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not feeling very good no I'm I'm not

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exaggerating there for a comedic effect

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but and drama bring some drama into the

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show yeah we should add some drama

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I should like I don't even know how to

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some drama like you know and my

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girlfriend watches housewife so it's

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gonna try to use that kind of thing and

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to tell you hey you did this to me or

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don't know what to say so pretending to

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be sick it's all like all I could do but

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easy man so that's what I got to do

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me if I was going down there barn you're

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turnout it sounds like yeah Wow

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were you not being there or something

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forget his name right now but there will

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plague a high go ahead no no I was gonna

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it should be a good real good so what is

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Florida it's only fitting that we talk

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about a case from Florida and this is a

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video an interesting video that Roger

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I came the archives so all the way back

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in 2012 there was a video that this

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person got in Doudna den do you I don't

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doomed in I'm not sure if I'm saying it

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correctly but it's a town in Florida

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where these people saw what they

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believed to be a boomer

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shake UFO this is at night it was about

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8:40 p.m. they were driving they felt

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this object was 200 to 300 feet across

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it is a grouping of lights and the

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the stills that we provided on the

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website you can see that and and it's a

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short video but it's pretty interesting

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great well I'll check that out no I have

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no idea never heard of that town before

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mm-hmm usually you hear the same times

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over and over not that one not familiar

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you have you heard of the town Dubai a

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little small town yes well in the United

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Arab I is is in the United Arab Emirates

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and I just you know I just thought of

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this story whenever I think of did there

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was this video that was put out that was

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allegedly UFOs this isn't the story I'm

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UFOs and Vegas I was in Vegas a few

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weeks ago and the video turned out to be

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the guy filming some of the lights I

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think it was in Caesars Palace so you

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know the background looks like this guy

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and he's filming the lights in the

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ceiling and it was a video that went

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viral people still believe that's a UFO

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video to the state but it's not yeah but

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this is a different one this one

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actually is recent this is from July

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11th 2016 and this was taken at about

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Dury are near the police station at bin

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Laden signal and of course this isn't

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Osama bin Laden that there but the bin

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which Osama bin Laden was just one of

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many of the sons of this big rich family

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so at this place named after the Bin

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Ladin family this person saw what he

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said he thought was an airplane or a

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star but then he said it moved very fast

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and in different directions that there

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were actually three lights at and it

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looked like a triangular shaped object

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so he took some pictures of it and you

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little difficult to make something out

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but it is kind of interesting but yeah

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immediately you know you can't just

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identify it quickly like often you can

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it is possible that it was a drone but

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this person by the movement yeah really

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what even with the movement I guess it

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could be a drone but people have to

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check it out and see what they think I

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while back that was a drone right I

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of the really tall buildings over there

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and there was some controversy about it

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fast you don't remember that huh no no I

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can't remember that one it sounds let me

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there it wasn't it didn't hear you I am

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yeah

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no I can't see anything in particular

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about it I may be thinking of a

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different city could be one of those

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awkward moments again oh you know wait

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here it is okay oh yeah we didn't write

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about it because this was a bad one oh

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and because this was obviously a like

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post I do remember this one so this was

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just in April there was a video of a

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light with some sort of streaking

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happening under it almost looking like a

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craft moving upwards very quickly or it

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being a light to the ground and actual

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and I think you can't tell this very

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easily from looking at the pictures and

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that's why I didn't get too excited

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about it

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it is a lamppost but that is just

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distorted from motion blur oh so because

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this person was in their car took a

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picture of the lamppost and of course

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the lamppost looks weird because she's

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moving in the car okay so let's move on

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let's move on

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oh boy yeah mmm

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why do I remember those ones I don't

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know Martin come on yeah well what else

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is happening

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that's about it that's it oh hey thanks

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so much and talk to you next week

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tuck you guys later alright so hang in

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there for the music break we'll be right

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welcome to the show Donna Donna you

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there I'm not hearing anything your mute

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button must be on Donna hello how about

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now

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there you are oh yeah hi welcome to the

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show thank you so much thank you for the

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invitation a lot to show and it's really

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was really nice to be invited yes you

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have called in a number of times and you

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have a lot of good things to say and you

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and I have met and I'm going to give a

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little teaser out there within the first

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hour I'm gonna say something really

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unique that Donna and I have in common

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and I'll leave that out there as a

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teaser so for now Donna why don't you

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tell the listener a little bit about

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yourself and what got you interested in

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the UFO subject well as far as my

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background goes well people didn't have

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a chance to read the bio my background

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is that I had been a professional

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licensed social worker for most of my

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adult life I hold a degree in Human

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Services a bachelor's degree and a

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master's degree in counseling and I

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spent most of my professional career

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doing acute care in a medical social

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worker medical social work in a hospital

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setting so that's my professional

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background I was born and raised in

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Boston and Boston area and I developed

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an interest in UFOs at a very early age

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I I was trying to think about why and

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when that was and I really can't

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pinpoint it but I can say it was

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probably around the age of five I

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remember hearing about these UFOs or

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flying saucers and asking my parents

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about it and they were unable to explain

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them they said well some people see them

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and some people

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they're from another planet but nobody

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really knows for sure if they exist or

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not and I think I was hooked at an early

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age the mystery of something an adult

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could not explain something that some

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people witnessed but there wasn't an

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explanation and I think that sense of

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mystery kind of hooked me yeah and so

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from an early age again nothing that I

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can really think of in particular it was

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the it was it was the days of The

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Twilight Zone in the Outer Limits and a

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lot of those sci-fi things and so that

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may have influenced me but um anyway I

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was interested and I would say at the

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age of 10 I remember being at the

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dentist's office and seeing a magazine

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Look magazine and on the cover of Look

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magazine was a story about a couple who

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had allegedly been abducted by aliens

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and so the you know age 10 I read that

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story I was really intrigued became a

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big aficionado of that particular story

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and read everything that I could for

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four years in the days before we had the

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internet it was just books and the

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occasional television show or something

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like that we are you know he had some

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information about UFOs and that sort of

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thing so just before you move on part in

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the Look magazine in particular was that

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a cover story or was that just something

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19 no 1966 it was a two-part article

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1966 it was the cover it was also the

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cover in a newspaper in Boston people

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don't really know that but it was it was

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actually first reported in a Boston

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newspaper article but I I remember it

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mostly from I was just 10 my mother let

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me walk to the dentist's office and I'm

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reading this story and totally

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merged by it intrigued by it wondering

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like everybody isn't talking about it

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because you know it's pretty amazing so

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anyway those who might early you know

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the earlier kinds of you know interest

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that I had and and you move on just want

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to say a little bit about the Betty and

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Barney Hill incident that I lived five

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miles from Portsmouth New Hampshire

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where they lived and I never saw the

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articles when that came out but I did

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hear I did hear about this post office

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worker and his wife supposedly being

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abducted by aliens and it was like crazy

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and it was you know Portsmouth New

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Hampshire just right over the border for

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me so I thought it was just some type of

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local story that nobody else knew about

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but when you when you when you said you

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heard about it you mean word-of-mouth

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yes neighbors totally worth of town it

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was in our I was talking about it in my

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school okay did you hear about the guy

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and the woman and that type of thing

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yeah it was yeah okay Wow well you know

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I honestly I mean this is interesting to

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me as we talked about it if I hadn't

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been at the dentist Baptist I may have

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not I don't know what I would have heard

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about it I mean I think about that and I

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just happened to see it so I might not

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have heard it for years to come until

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you know later when the book was

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released I think interrupted journey

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came out and no 70 in the seventies I

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think that well I know that I think that

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I think that John fuller actually wrote

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the book around in the sixties but the

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mutant the movie came out in 1976 John

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fuller wrote a book and I don't know big

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bad dates but anyway I did write I did

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read that book I did see the movie that

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pretty much was one of the biggest cases

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I think at that time that I

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knew about and so that is pretty much

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until that point my experience with UFOs

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and interest in an interest in

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particular with the Betty and Barney

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Hill case anyway so around 1973 my

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brother I lived in Rockland at this time

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Rockland Massachusetts south of Boston

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my brother he's a year younger than I am

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saw what he thought was a star in the

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sky and he wasn't sure if it was a star

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or if it was maybe it was a star maybe

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it was an antenna something he had

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installed and had put a little light on

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top of it but he had never noticed it

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before and he watched it for a while and

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to his surprise it started moving very

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slowly across the sky and he started

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wondering what could be stationary for

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so long that he thought it was either a

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star or a light and yet it started

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moving so he maintained call it you know

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what his visuals on it and it will very

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slowly across the sky and at some point

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it started approaching our house and it

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was summer and we were with after 11

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o'clock we're in bed and he said you

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know there's something in the sky that's

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really weird

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and and so my mother my two younger

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brothers neighbors and so forth for my

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best friend happened to be sleeping over

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and and we looked outside our window and

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right above the tree line and I did give

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this some thought to I'm not good at

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spatial things like how many feet but it

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would have been maybe three stories high

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the trees outside my house there was an

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object totally stationary for between 5

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to 10 minutes with a rhythmically light

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going on and off that right above the

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tree line probably definitely you know

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intelligently controlled definitely had

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some substance

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to it and it was really life-changing in

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that we were all there looking at it and

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saying well it's not a plane it's not a

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it's not a what what can hover well you

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know a helicopter can hover but it can't

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be that low and not make noise at all

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there's no movement of trees or any kind

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of leaves or anything like that and and

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so we kept looking at it and ruling out

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anything it could be and it was worried

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profound to look at something and say

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well I can tell you what it isn't but no

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idea what it was and so I watched it was

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transfixed as the light went on and off

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and kept watching it to see what it

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would do and in a blink of an eye it it

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the light came on the light went off and

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it was totally gone out of the sky it

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had completely blanked out and although

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it had taken a long time to cross the

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sky it took a blink for it to totally

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disappear in front of all of us and so I

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didn't know what to do if that those

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days but I called the Weymouth air force

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base and said have you seen anything

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unusual and there was all sorts of

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giggling going on on the I was a

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teenager they were you know thought this

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was hilarious no there was nothing they

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thought nothing like made are and that

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was it but it was it was really was

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really interesting to actually see

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something that you can't identify you

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can't you know ruled out everything and

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in those days I mean I don't know what

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that could have been to be totally still

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like that

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and not make any sound whatsoever right

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as far as you know pardon me as far as

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you know there were no other witnesses

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besides your family well my family the

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neighbors I mean I'm grateful for every

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crazy thing that happened

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to me and we'll get into that later I

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have witnesses and I'm grateful that

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these things don't happen in isolation

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and so like yes so aside from my closest

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friend and neighbors and I've just

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recently found out that my best friend

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who is still my best friend her husband

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they didn't know each other at the time

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but he also fought so you know this was

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just recent there was nothing in the

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newspapers nobody else seen to that we

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talked to seem to have seen it again the

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neighbors and no reports but honestly

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Martin I don't know I was I was a

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teenager I don't know that I looked that

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hard but there was nothing there wasn't

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big news and in any and in the event so

534
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anyway but you know it was definitely

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something that I don't know at this

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point in time that there is even a you

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know an object that I can think of that

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would be above the treeline that long

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and be silent and then disappear I mean

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I'm not sure all these years later even

541
00:28:26,690 --> 00:28:24,480
now there's anything like that so how

542
00:28:34,580 --> 00:28:26,700
was it talked about much in your family

543
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:34,590
after that by me because I was the only

544
00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:36,960
one that talks about it I met up with my

545
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:40,799
friends recently and I saw the face the

546
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:44,610
faces oh gosh I know it's coming the

547
00:28:51,019 --> 00:28:48,090
stories coming out and and I don't

548
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:51,029
understand I mean my fam my mother got

549
00:29:01,760 --> 00:28:52,890
bored watching it and she went back to

550
00:29:05,450 --> 00:29:01,770
bed well you know that may be but she

551
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:05,460
went to bed and so it's talked it was

552
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:09,090
talked about by me but really nobody

553
00:29:14,930 --> 00:29:13,530
else seemed even my friend will say sure

554
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:14,940
that was weird

555
00:29:19,700 --> 00:29:16,320
yep it was

556
00:29:22,669 --> 00:29:19,710
unidentified but you know she wasn't

557
00:29:26,269 --> 00:29:22,679
that amazed really and isn't even now

558
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:26,279
she up that was weird don't know

559
00:29:33,259 --> 00:29:29,279
oops watch her just be careful your

560
00:29:35,180 --> 00:29:33,269
keyboard on your phone oh yeah alright

561
00:29:37,639 --> 00:29:35,190
so that was that so that's the end of

562
00:29:41,389 --> 00:29:37,649
that story I need my little attempt to

563
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:41,399
report it was was giggle dad and that

564
00:29:49,220 --> 00:29:44,970
was the end of that so so we skip ahead

565
00:29:54,740 --> 00:29:49,230
two years a few years later I went to

566
00:29:57,460 --> 00:29:54,750
college came home one weekend and my

567
00:30:02,509 --> 00:29:57,470
mother have reported that my brother

568
00:30:05,899 --> 00:30:02,519
again a year younger than I was he had

569
00:30:07,970 --> 00:30:05,909
come home one evening probably around 1

570
00:30:08,690 --> 00:30:07,980
or 2 o'clock in the morning and he was

571
00:30:13,730 --> 00:30:08,700
hysterical

572
00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:13,740
screaming and you know must have been 18

573
00:30:18,619 --> 00:30:16,559
19 at the time and she didn't know what

574
00:30:21,649 --> 00:30:18,629
to do he hadn't appeared to be doing any

575
00:30:25,789 --> 00:30:21,659
kind of drugs or working or anything and

576
00:30:27,889 --> 00:30:25,799
he said that he had been at a party with

577
00:30:31,340 --> 00:30:27,899
a friend that they were leaving the

578
00:30:37,580 --> 00:30:31,350
pretti coming across the wooded area

579
00:30:41,210 --> 00:30:37,590
near a pond near our home and that his

580
00:30:44,629 --> 00:30:41,220
friends was somehow put to sleep and he

581
00:30:49,009 --> 00:30:44,639
was taken by a craft that was on the

582
00:30:50,810 --> 00:30:49,019
ground and had you know was he didn't

583
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:50,820
see anything in the sky is the thing was

584
00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:54,330
already on the ground had been taken and

585
00:30:59,269 --> 00:30:56,399
they had done terrible things to him and

586
00:31:01,940 --> 00:30:59,279
he was sobbing crying when he was

587
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:01,950
explaining this all to my mother who

588
00:31:06,169 --> 00:31:03,570
didn't know what to do with him at that

589
00:31:08,539 --> 00:31:06,179
hour of the morning and had he had no

590
00:31:13,279 --> 00:31:08,549
history of this and she was beside

591
00:31:15,289 --> 00:31:13,289
herself I'm sure and said that he had he

592
00:31:18,980 --> 00:31:15,299
had done some terrible thing to him and

593
00:31:22,220 --> 00:31:18,990
told him things like that they had been

594
00:31:26,629 --> 00:31:22,230
observing him for many years for his

595
00:31:28,519 --> 00:31:26,639
entire life and that they could take him

596
00:31:30,230 --> 00:31:28,529
whenever they wanted they had taken him

597
00:31:32,090 --> 00:31:30,240
before and they could say

598
00:31:34,220 --> 00:31:32,100
can anytime and that they were

599
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:34,230
interested in him particularly because

600
00:31:41,270 --> 00:31:37,530
of some mechanical abilities that he had

601
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:41,280
and in fact he was sort of a prodigy in

602
00:31:45,530 --> 00:31:43,650
that when he was 3 or 4 years old he

603
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:45,540
could you know take things apart

604
00:31:50,500 --> 00:31:48,210
disassemble and reassemble things and

605
00:31:54,670 --> 00:31:50,510
it's really quite extraordinary and

606
00:31:57,650 --> 00:31:54,680
anyway by the time I got there he was

607
00:31:59,420 --> 00:31:57,660
experiencing some symptoms which now it

608
00:32:01,430 --> 00:31:59,430
would recognize this post-traumatic

609
00:32:05,660 --> 00:32:01,440
kinds of things from anxiety and

610
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:05,670
difficulties and I thought well gee what

611
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:07,290
you know what what do you do with that I

612
00:32:11,510 --> 00:32:09,690
mean how do you help somebody my mother

613
00:32:15,710 --> 00:32:11,520
certainly didn't know what to do and and

614
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:15,720
I thought well you know who I don't know

615
00:32:20,950 --> 00:32:18,210
if this really happens but whatever

616
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:20,960
happened he's had some sort of an event

617
00:32:27,500 --> 00:32:24,690
which is caused trauma again no no other

618
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:27,510
history of this you always look for

619
00:32:36,050 --> 00:32:32,640
history patterns think things did you

620
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:36,060
sit down and talk with him one on one as

621
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:38,490
like brother sister to brother

622
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:42,450
haha right and he now in a more relaxed

623
00:32:47,860 --> 00:32:44,010
state you know than when he must have

624
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:47,870
been repeated basically the same story

625
00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:52,530
so he said I never want you know

626
00:32:59,000 --> 00:32:54,720
anything like that to happen to me again

627
00:33:01,790 --> 00:32:59,010
and very you know very obviously

628
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:01,800
traumatized and you know Native it may

629
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:04,050
have been weeks by the time I got home

630
00:33:09,470 --> 00:33:07,050
from college but he was having some

631
00:33:12,770 --> 00:33:09,480
difficulty coping my mother didn't know

632
00:33:14,900 --> 00:33:12,780
you know what to do and you think well

633
00:33:17,330 --> 00:33:14,910
you know do you bring him to a doctor to

634
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:17,340
bring to a psychologist and you think

635
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:19,770
you know well you know gap half at that

636
00:33:27,190 --> 00:33:22,080
time you know was going to go directly

637
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:27,200
to you know was that the path man was

638
00:33:33,950 --> 00:33:29,610
probably you know this is a delusion and

639
00:33:38,300 --> 00:33:33,960
that sort of thing so I thought well you

640
00:33:41,150 --> 00:33:38,310
know Benjamin Simon the psychiatrist who

641
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:41,160
worked and treated the the hills may

642
00:33:47,409 --> 00:33:43,850
still be in practice

643
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:47,419
was early seventies and and it was

644
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:49,850
possible that he was still in practice

645
00:33:53,020 --> 00:33:52,370
and again without the internet like what

646
00:33:56,020 --> 00:33:53,030
did we do

647
00:33:58,299 --> 00:33:56,030
B I before the internet I don't know but

648
00:34:00,700 --> 00:33:58,309
I called dist directory assistance for

649
00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:00,710
Boston and did you just remember

650
00:34:06,430 --> 00:34:03,049
Hyman you just remember Benjamin Simon

651
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:06,440
from the just reading you totally

652
00:34:14,530 --> 00:34:08,570
remember his name yeah yeah probably

653
00:34:19,180 --> 00:34:14,540
totally have always had a really great

654
00:34:21,550 --> 00:34:19,190
memory from an early age remembered it

655
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:21,560
whether it had been by way of reading

656
00:34:26,919 --> 00:34:24,530
the book or the articles or you know I

657
00:34:28,930 --> 00:34:26,929
will say it's to me it's a little

658
00:34:31,930 --> 00:34:28,940
strange looking back that at such an

659
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:31,940
early age I was reading all of that

660
00:34:36,550 --> 00:34:34,490
stuff and really into it but I did

661
00:34:39,399 --> 00:34:36,560
remember the name and I called directory

662
00:34:41,950 --> 00:34:39,409
assistance the Boston area got a phone

663
00:34:44,830 --> 00:34:41,960
number called the number and I said am i

664
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:44,840
reaching the psychiatrist Benjamin Simon

665
00:34:51,790 --> 00:34:47,690
who treated the hill and I was prepared

666
00:34:55,389 --> 00:34:51,800
for a number of things like he doesn't

667
00:34:57,820 --> 00:34:55,399
take these calls or you know any number

668
00:35:00,160 --> 00:34:57,830
of hits not the same Benjamin Simon and

669
00:35:04,210 --> 00:35:00,170
they said yes it is and I said well I'm

670
00:35:07,450 --> 00:35:04,220
I have a situation I have a family

671
00:35:10,420 --> 00:35:07,460
member who is reporting an experience

672
00:35:14,650 --> 00:35:10,430
and I having some difficulty coping and

673
00:35:17,130 --> 00:35:14,660
I am not at all sure what to do and they

674
00:35:19,780 --> 00:35:17,140
took my phone number and I thought well

675
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:19,790
good luck with that I mean this this

676
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:22,130
fellow probably gets called from all

677
00:35:26,050 --> 00:35:23,930
over the world all the time and I doubt

678
00:35:29,410 --> 00:35:26,060
that he will call me back and he did he

679
00:35:31,570 --> 00:35:29,420
called me back and he spent you know I'm

680
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:31,580
guessing a good half hour on the phone

681
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:33,890
with me and I explained what my

682
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:36,890
brother's experience was and that I was

683
00:35:42,220 --> 00:35:39,530
hoping I guess when he did call back I

684
00:35:44,650 --> 00:35:42,230
thought well he'll say yes I've had a

685
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:44,660
number of these cases since that I

686
00:35:49,150 --> 00:35:48,050
treated the hills I'm sort of the expert

687
00:35:52,090 --> 00:35:49,160
in the field

688
00:35:55,359 --> 00:35:52,100
bring him in I'll be happy to treat him

689
00:35:57,870 --> 00:35:55,369
or I'm so inundated by these patients I

690
00:35:59,880 --> 00:35:57,880
can make a referral to somebody that

691
00:36:03,120 --> 00:35:59,890
you know be understanding and open

692
00:36:07,559 --> 00:36:03,130
minded but that's not what happened what

693
00:36:09,959 --> 00:36:07,569
happened is he said well even though I

694
00:36:14,579 --> 00:36:09,969
had been portrayed in interrupted

695
00:36:19,499 --> 00:36:14,589
journey and the movie as having believed

696
00:36:21,930 --> 00:36:19,509
the Hills story in fact I don't believe

697
00:36:24,809 --> 00:36:21,940
never believed that they were abducted

698
00:36:29,849 --> 00:36:24,819
by UFOs I don't believe in flying

699
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:29,859
saucers I did say that I didn't believe

700
00:36:36,509 --> 00:36:32,410
they were lying and they were or they

701
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:36,519
were hoping but at the same time that is

702
00:36:40,620 --> 00:36:38,890
not I I never

703
00:36:43,199 --> 00:36:40,630
it was portrayed that I was being

704
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:43,209
supportive of their story and I don't

705
00:36:48,749 --> 00:36:45,729
think that's what happened to them and I

706
00:36:50,759 --> 00:36:48,759
was floored because I had been a don't

707
00:36:52,709 --> 00:36:50,769
want to say a phantom story but I I

708
00:36:55,259 --> 00:36:52,719
guess I was at the end of the story

709
00:36:57,209 --> 00:36:55,269
and I was devastated I'm like what do

710
00:37:00,620 --> 00:36:57,219
you mean you're the doctor that that was

711
00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:00,630
bleeding that was that was lending such

712
00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:04,089
credibility to the story that AMD was

713
00:37:09,449 --> 00:37:06,609
involved I mean this is like this is not

714
00:37:12,749 --> 00:37:09,459
just this is an empty in Boston

715
00:37:16,140 --> 00:37:12,759
supposedly prestigious practice who is

716
00:37:19,769 --> 00:37:16,150
treating this person and he said now

717
00:37:24,809 --> 00:37:19,779
that was totally not not totally

718
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:24,819
reported yes I did say not no no overt

719
00:37:31,439 --> 00:37:29,170
lying but on the other hand it wasn't

720
00:37:34,579 --> 00:37:31,449
within his realm of reality but that's

721
00:37:37,769 --> 00:37:34,589
what have happened so he explained to me

722
00:37:40,259 --> 00:37:37,779
what he thought had really happened and

723
00:37:42,420 --> 00:37:40,269
and I just could and I think I have said

724
00:37:44,099 --> 00:37:42,430
this on his show in the past but I don't

725
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:44,109
know if this could happen today it was a

726
00:37:48,949 --> 00:37:46,930
public case so I'm not sure but because

727
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:48,959
of confidentiality

728
00:37:54,359 --> 00:37:51,130
situations I'm not sure that he could

729
00:37:58,049 --> 00:37:54,369
have spoken to me so freely and what he

730
00:38:01,709 --> 00:37:58,059
said is this was the early 1960s it was

731
00:38:05,849 --> 00:38:01,719
in the height of civil rights this was

732
00:38:09,469 --> 00:38:05,859
an interracial couple in white-bread New

733
00:38:11,220 --> 00:38:09,479
Hampshire Barney had many difficulties

734
00:38:15,620 --> 00:38:11,230
struggles with stress

735
00:38:18,420 --> 00:38:15,630
coping with this interracial marriage he

736
00:38:20,849 --> 00:38:18,430
apparently had an ulcer had some you

737
00:38:26,700 --> 00:38:20,859
know a lot of difficulties and and he

738
00:38:29,420 --> 00:38:26,710
saw this as a combination of some

739
00:38:32,849 --> 00:38:29,430
delusions and some manifestations of

740
00:38:35,130 --> 00:38:32,859
anxiety and and I know probably people

741
00:38:37,020 --> 00:38:35,140
are you know just saying that can't be

742
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:37,030
but just just deal with me for a minute

743
00:38:44,099 --> 00:38:41,890
that there is a there is a a psychiatric

744
00:38:46,500 --> 00:38:44,109
condition called follow you do it

745
00:38:50,700 --> 00:38:46,510
believe it is where two people can share

746
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:50,710
the same delusion and in mind that this

747
00:38:58,800 --> 00:38:56,560
had occurred in 1961 the UM the incident

748
00:39:02,580 --> 00:38:58,810
itself and it was a couple of years

749
00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:02,590
later before they thought hypnosis and

750
00:39:11,330 --> 00:39:06,310
so there was a time period of you know a

751
00:39:14,130 --> 00:39:11,340
big gap and they had sought out his

752
00:39:17,849 --> 00:39:14,140
counsel and treatment to help with

753
00:39:19,290 --> 00:39:17,859
anxiety and help cope and you know try

754
00:39:23,490 --> 00:39:19,300
to figure out what had happened

755
00:39:26,340 --> 00:39:23,500
so anyway his conclusion was as the

756
00:39:28,530 --> 00:39:26,350
treating psychiatrist for the hill they

757
00:39:32,430 --> 00:39:28,540
did not experience this in my opinion

758
00:39:36,260 --> 00:39:32,440
and that they had another thing going on

759
00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:36,270
and it was a kind of combination of

760
00:39:43,770 --> 00:39:41,200
dreams and beliefs and delusions and

761
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:43,780
that sort of thing so it was quite

762
00:39:49,020 --> 00:39:45,970
shocking to me and it was like bursting

763
00:39:50,580 --> 00:39:49,030
my balloon and I thought oh geez you

764
00:39:53,940 --> 00:39:50,590
know that was like the best case and

765
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:53,950
whatever and but yet I was left with you

766
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:55,690
know the situation with my brother and

767
00:40:00,750 --> 00:39:58,090
so having said that he said it until

768
00:40:01,890 --> 00:40:00,760
therefore just just before you move into

769
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:01,900
about your brother a little more I'm

770
00:40:08,490 --> 00:40:05,200
sorry to have interrupted you but what

771
00:40:10,620 --> 00:40:08,500
what are your feelings now about the

772
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:10,630
Betty and Barney case after you had

773
00:40:24,990 --> 00:40:22,830
so I I guess so I want to say from the

774
00:40:29,099 --> 00:40:25,000
from the beginning the

775
00:40:32,609 --> 00:40:29,109
I believe something is happening in the

776
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:32,619
world I believe that there are too many

777
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:35,609
credible people having these experiences

778
00:40:44,609 --> 00:40:39,280
and sightings there are just too many

779
00:40:46,740 --> 00:40:44,619
and and so I believe something is

780
00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:46,750
happening however in this particular

781
00:40:55,530 --> 00:40:53,440
case I really questioned it so and I

782
00:41:02,580 --> 00:40:55,540
didn't think I would go down this path

783
00:41:04,530 --> 00:41:02,590
exactly but years later I I did do some

784
00:41:06,690 --> 00:41:04,540
more research into the Betty and Barney

785
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:06,700
Hill case so what I'm trying to say is I

786
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:08,560
believe that people are having

787
00:41:14,660 --> 00:41:11,440
experiences I believe that there are you

788
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:14,670
know there people are seeing things

789
00:41:19,830 --> 00:41:17,170
however I'm not sure about this

790
00:41:23,310 --> 00:41:19,840
particular case that was a huge blow in

791
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:23,320
that clinical case for me and then

792
00:41:28,650 --> 00:41:27,520
further on I coincidentally if we

793
00:41:31,020 --> 00:41:28,660
believe in coincidences and

794
00:41:35,700 --> 00:41:31,030
synchronicity and all of that wild up

795
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:35,710
living within oh an easy half-hour of

796
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:38,890
the actual landing site of the hill case

797
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:42,490
and there were some further things that

798
00:41:52,700 --> 00:41:46,050
I people had done some research on

799
00:41:56,849 --> 00:41:52,710
namely that going through the the knotch

800
00:41:59,760 --> 00:41:56,859
white mountains mm Franconia Notch I

801
00:42:02,790 --> 00:41:59,770
would go through there many times at

802
00:42:04,980 --> 00:42:02,800
night and I would see any UFO and I

803
00:42:08,609 --> 00:42:04,990
would get excited because I would like

804
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:08,619
to see another UFO and and but no it was

805
00:42:13,890 --> 00:42:12,010
not a UFO it was the search light on top

806
00:42:20,460 --> 00:42:13,900
of Cannon Mountain and as you drive

807
00:42:22,410 --> 00:42:20,470
through the the knotch it'll will appear

808
00:42:26,579 --> 00:42:22,420
it's on the topic in amount it appears

809
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:26,589
to dip and go up and down type of thing

810
00:42:33,180 --> 00:42:29,890
and somebody research that and sure

811
00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:33,190
enough it was put up in 1959 it did

812
00:42:37,950 --> 00:42:34,480
exist at that time

813
00:42:38,850 --> 00:42:37,960
and so a man by the name of Jim McDonald

814
00:42:42,930 --> 00:42:38,860
who is a

815
00:42:46,590 --> 00:42:42,940
Navy a naval have worked for the Navy

816
00:42:50,090 --> 00:42:46,600
and did and lives up in the Colebrook

817
00:42:54,030 --> 00:42:50,100
New Hampshire area didn't a thorough

818
00:42:56,910 --> 00:42:54,040
investigation and kind of attract the

819
00:43:01,080 --> 00:42:56,920
whole path and came up with some really

820
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:01,090
interesting information about you know

821
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:03,370
thinking it was the light on Cannon

822
00:43:09,450 --> 00:43:07,090
Mountain and also some other sites that

823
00:43:11,490 --> 00:43:09,460
were around there that could have been

824
00:43:15,900 --> 00:43:11,500
mistaken you could see the light

825
00:43:19,950 --> 00:43:15,910
appearing to come down you could see a

826
00:43:22,260 --> 00:43:19,960
billboard for the Jack O'Lantern motel

827
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:22,270
which is still there not not the

828
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:26,050
billboard but it was a huge orange I

829
00:43:31,620 --> 00:43:27,970
remember this as a child I used to go

830
00:43:36,830 --> 00:43:31,630
there Jacqueline and at night we have

831
00:43:40,700 --> 00:43:36,840
back in 1961 there weren't those lights

832
00:43:44,130 --> 00:43:40,710
street lights on that desolate world and

833
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:44,140
you know if you're driving I could see

834
00:43:51,180 --> 00:43:48,370
how you would see a big orange glowing

835
00:43:53,580 --> 00:43:51,190
object that would appear to be near

836
00:43:56,190 --> 00:43:53,590
horizon she didn't know what that was

837
00:43:58,340 --> 00:43:56,200
that was one of the things they saw so

838
00:44:04,020 --> 00:43:58,350
we did a really good job at you know

839
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:04,030
suggesting alternatives so I am I am you

840
00:44:14,850 --> 00:44:09,570
know I think that they weren't lying I

841
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:14,860
think they had some sort of fighting but

842
00:44:22,500 --> 00:44:19,210
I'm not so sure that it wasn't something

843
00:44:24,780 --> 00:44:22,510
other than some other things that they

844
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:24,790
misinterpreted and that it got all

845
00:44:30,300 --> 00:44:27,040
mishmash you know over a period of years

846
00:44:33,810 --> 00:44:30,310
before they sought out by hypnosis but

847
00:44:37,590 --> 00:44:33,820
didn't get turned into you know it's a

848
00:44:40,830 --> 00:44:37,600
lot of time to elapse where things could

849
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:40,840
get in even though they said well they

850
00:44:46,020 --> 00:44:42,930
were separated and they independently

851
00:44:48,300 --> 00:44:46,030
reported these things they were with

852
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:48,310
each other for years and this was

853
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:50,770
something that was obviously on your

854
00:44:54,910 --> 00:44:52,640
mind and it's concerned the

855
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:54,920
they were going to places and trying to

856
00:44:59,559 --> 00:44:57,200
figure it out so it was discussion

857
00:45:01,569 --> 00:44:59,569
between them it wasn't you know I don't

858
00:45:05,220 --> 00:45:01,579
and if you listen this is really

859
00:45:10,049 --> 00:45:05,230
interesting I think for your listeners

860
00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:10,059
it's on YouTube you can go and listen to

861
00:45:19,660 --> 00:45:16,160
the actual Benjamin Simon recordings

862
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:19,670
talking the actual recordings yes you

863
00:45:25,089 --> 00:45:22,640
can hear him talking to them and what

864
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:25,099
they're saying and it's really

865
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:28,130
interesting because it's not exactly how

866
00:45:32,670 --> 00:45:31,010
things get locked into the final product

867
00:45:35,079 --> 00:45:32,680
I mean at first

868
00:45:37,029 --> 00:45:35,089
Barney was reporting them is looking

869
00:45:39,490 --> 00:45:37,039
like Nazis and they were looking like

870
00:45:41,140 --> 00:45:39,500
Irishmen and they said well why do you

871
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:41,150
think he's an Irishman look if he has

872
00:45:46,750 --> 00:45:43,760
red hair and it's known that Irish

873
00:45:49,150 --> 00:45:46,760
people don't like Negroes and so when

874
00:45:53,529 --> 00:45:49,160
you hear the whole story and then you

875
00:45:56,319 --> 00:45:53,539
hear from the horse's mouth so to speak

876
00:45:58,599 --> 00:45:56,329
the psychiatrists say I treated them I

877
00:45:59,380 --> 00:45:58,609
saw the whole picture that is not what

878
00:46:02,680 --> 00:45:59,390
happened to them

879
00:46:06,130 --> 00:46:02,690
it did put a hole in the story for me so

880
00:46:08,289 --> 00:46:06,140
at the end of the day I guess I I don't

881
00:46:10,990 --> 00:46:08,299
know I I really have some doubts about

882
00:46:13,870 --> 00:46:11,000
that particular story that does not mean

883
00:46:15,940 --> 00:46:13,880
I I don't think it happened because I

884
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:15,950
think it I think things are happening

885
00:46:22,630 --> 00:46:18,170
but that particular story I think

886
00:46:25,059 --> 00:46:22,640
because of researching it further and

887
00:46:28,990 --> 00:46:25,069
I've recently been up there to kind of

888
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:29,000
go through the past myself I see how

889
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:31,970
that that could have happened how those

890
00:46:37,749 --> 00:46:35,690
things were misinterpreted and and you

891
00:46:40,029 --> 00:46:37,759
know misinterpreted honestly and turned

892
00:46:42,220 --> 00:46:40,039
into doubt in their mind you know I

893
00:46:44,140 --> 00:46:42,230
brought this up I think last time I

894
00:46:47,559 --> 00:46:44,150
spoke with Kathy Martin or when I saw

895
00:46:49,569 --> 00:46:47,569
her perhaps in Phoenix I sat and talked

896
00:46:53,319 --> 00:46:49,579
with you a little while about this right

897
00:46:55,980 --> 00:46:53,329
one of the things she has also mentioned

898
00:46:58,740 --> 00:46:55,990
is that there was an ongoing history of

899
00:47:02,140 --> 00:46:58,750
abductions and the family you know

900
00:47:04,660 --> 00:47:02,150
coincidentally I don't know you know so

901
00:47:05,900 --> 00:47:04,670
there is this is just a mystery we won't

902
00:47:08,450 --> 00:47:05,910
really get

903
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:08,460
too far so now I mean we won't I mean

904
00:47:13,329 --> 00:47:10,650
all I can say about it and you know this

905
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:13,339
is only it just a little part of my

906
00:47:18,529 --> 00:47:16,890
experience my my journey with the UFO

907
00:47:21,650 --> 00:47:18,539
story so it's not here to talk about

908
00:47:24,589 --> 00:47:21,660
just this one case but I I guess the

909
00:47:28,190 --> 00:47:24,599
most interesting thing for me was to

910
00:47:31,220 --> 00:47:28,200
talk about it to my to to this person

911
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:31,230
the psychiatrist have him discount it

912
00:47:38,210 --> 00:47:35,130
totally and then suggest that my brother

913
00:47:40,750 --> 00:47:38,220
had it in his opinion had had a

914
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:40,760
psychiatric break that he was probably

915
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:43,970
psychotic and needed immediate

916
00:47:48,620 --> 00:47:46,770
psychiatric attention so that was the

917
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:48,630
bottom line he certainly wasn't at all

918
00:47:55,250 --> 00:47:52,400
feeding into any kind of you know

919
00:47:58,160 --> 00:47:55,260
treatment that it would be you know he

920
00:48:00,289 --> 00:47:58,170
needs to go into this specialized UFO

921
00:48:02,059 --> 00:48:00,299
people that know how to deal with that

922
00:48:05,359 --> 00:48:02,069
he was like you need to get him

923
00:48:07,549 --> 00:48:05,369
somewhere because he's a sick person so

924
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:07,559
that didn't happen that didn't happen

925
00:48:15,470 --> 00:48:11,760
my brother continued on he he struggled

926
00:48:17,539 --> 00:48:15,480
I like to talk about it he did not like

927
00:48:19,309 --> 00:48:17,549
to talk about it he was traumatized and

928
00:48:20,690 --> 00:48:19,319
at some points that I will not talk

929
00:48:23,779 --> 00:48:20,700
about this anymore

930
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:23,789
okay but I before before you move on and

931
00:48:27,079 --> 00:48:25,410
you don't have to give any details

932
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:27,089
because you just kind of outline that

933
00:48:33,319 --> 00:48:30,000
just know but someone did ask a couple

934
00:48:37,819 --> 00:48:33,329
things earlier on in the message port

935
00:48:40,940 --> 00:48:37,829
and that was um did you did you think or

936
00:48:44,470 --> 00:48:40,950
did your brother assume that the this

937
00:48:47,630 --> 00:48:44,480
was a malevolent abduction and also

938
00:48:49,299 --> 00:48:47,640
don't know Evelyn absolutely and did he

939
00:48:54,980 --> 00:48:49,309
describe the beings at all

940
00:48:56,420 --> 00:48:54,990
I'm he did um okay is that you tell you

941
00:48:58,940 --> 00:48:56,430
want to stay away from her are you and

942
00:49:03,289 --> 00:48:58,950
are you know I tell you I can tell you

943
00:49:06,319 --> 00:49:03,299
everything um so the detail as much as I

944
00:49:09,289 --> 00:49:06,329
could you know clean at that time was

945
00:49:10,849 --> 00:49:09,299
and and this was really also you know I

946
00:49:15,859 --> 00:49:10,859
just want to back up a little bit bit

947
00:49:17,930 --> 00:49:15,869
and say okay so one could wonder I was

948
00:49:18,829 --> 00:49:17,940
interested in the subject I brought the

949
00:49:19,820 --> 00:49:18,839
books around

950
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:19,830
I watched the moon

951
00:49:24,980 --> 00:49:22,250
these it was around it was the somehow

952
00:49:27,980 --> 00:49:24,990
something that was planted in his brain

953
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:27,990
and somehow you know came out because of

954
00:49:34,370 --> 00:49:31,920
that but his case was so odd this wasn't

955
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:34,380
Betty and Barney Hill case was they were

956
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:35,970
just happen to be in them you know it

957
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:38,010
sounds like possibly the wrong place at

958
00:49:43,580 --> 00:49:39,930
the wrong time and you know this

959
00:49:46,130 --> 00:49:43,590
encounter happened this was involved

960
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:46,140
another person that they didn't take

961
00:49:51,830 --> 00:49:48,210
they only took my brother right there

962
00:49:53,570 --> 00:49:51,840
that would seem strange to me and that

963
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:53,580
they told him that they had taken him

964
00:49:57,020 --> 00:49:56,370
before I may continue to take him at any

965
00:50:00,650 --> 00:49:57,030
time

966
00:50:02,630 --> 00:50:00,660
and that certainly wasn't any kind of a

967
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:02,640
pattern I had ever heard before and the

968
00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:06,330
whole story really was you know a little

969
00:50:14,990 --> 00:50:10,730
bizarre so the description of the beings

970
00:50:15,890 --> 00:50:15,000
were not little grey but very large

971
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:15,900
beings

972
00:50:23,090 --> 00:50:19,890
I believe it's not anything that you

973
00:50:24,890 --> 00:50:23,100
know since I can really pinpoint but

974
00:50:27,710 --> 00:50:24,900
they weren't they weren't small they

975
00:50:31,130 --> 00:50:27,720
were very large they did terrible things

976
00:50:33,050 --> 00:50:31,140
to him and he absolutely could could

977
00:50:35,540 --> 00:50:33,060
barely ever talk about it before

978
00:50:40,970 --> 00:50:35,550
breaking down into tears which was not

979
00:50:43,610 --> 00:50:40,980
at all his you know personality type and

980
00:50:45,350 --> 00:50:43,620
and obviously something something

981
00:50:49,390 --> 00:50:45,360
happened to him I believe something

982
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:49,400
happened to him I don't know but but I

983
00:50:54,020 --> 00:50:52,410
you know certainly it fits fits a

984
00:50:57,260 --> 00:50:54,030
profile although there were these odd

985
00:51:00,980 --> 00:50:57,270
features about having been taken before

986
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:00,990
and and one person being sort of

987
00:51:06,020 --> 00:51:03,450
suspended and not taking the other one

988
00:51:08,300 --> 00:51:06,030
and that was really rather odd and so

989
00:51:10,670 --> 00:51:08,310
after I talked to Benjamin Simon I

990
00:51:14,420 --> 00:51:10,680
thought well I mean maybe he insect may

991
00:51:16,550 --> 00:51:14,430
be an issue and nothing really happens

992
00:51:20,650 --> 00:51:16,560
with that I mean he just contained on he

993
00:51:24,110 --> 00:51:20,660
did have some anxiety issues and he

994
00:51:25,850 --> 00:51:24,120
wouldn't talk about it with me really

995
00:51:29,390 --> 00:51:25,860
you know once in a while hit hit on the

996
00:51:33,500 --> 00:51:29,400
subject and and he did say to me well

997
00:51:37,490 --> 00:51:33,510
maybe they took you to so

998
00:51:40,970 --> 00:51:37,500
I thought well I have no memory of that

999
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:40,980
and I have nothing in my life I thought

1000
00:51:46,099 --> 00:51:43,680
though at that time that would lead me

1001
00:51:50,770 --> 00:51:46,109
to believe that anything like that had

1002
00:51:54,650 --> 00:51:50,780
happened to me so so we now fast forward

1003
00:51:57,170 --> 00:51:54,660
10 years later and I have put my

1004
00:51:59,690 --> 00:51:57,180
brother's story kind of as a mystery a

1005
00:52:02,920 --> 00:51:59,700
question but thinking maybe maybe it

1006
00:52:05,930 --> 00:52:02,930
wasn't because of the Benjamin Simon

1007
00:52:10,359 --> 00:52:05,940
discussion possibly this was a

1008
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:10,369
psychiatric issue and not a UFO

1009
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:14,880
abduction and I had still continued

1010
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:17,280
reading whenever there was something

1011
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:19,890
around to read or whatever but I was

1012
00:52:25,849 --> 00:52:22,770
home one day from work and there was a

1013
00:52:31,580 --> 00:52:25,859
show on television Sally Jessy Raphael I

1014
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:31,590
don't know it's a talk show and I was

1015
00:52:35,090 --> 00:52:33,450
never home during the day but I thought

1016
00:52:38,300 --> 00:52:35,100
I must have been home sick or something

1017
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:38,310
and she was on and she brought this you

1018
00:52:43,730 --> 00:52:41,010
know and his the guest was about Hopkins

1019
00:52:45,950 --> 00:52:43,740
and Budd Hopkins started telling the

1020
00:52:48,740 --> 00:52:45,960
story yet written this book missing time

1021
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:48,750
and he said we're now finding out that

1022
00:52:53,300 --> 00:52:50,850
there are people and they can be with

1023
00:52:56,030 --> 00:52:53,310
other people but they don't take because

1024
00:52:58,849 --> 00:52:56,040
a person they just take one person and

1025
00:53:01,790 --> 00:52:58,859
they select out well the other person is

1026
00:53:04,580 --> 00:53:01,800
sort of suspended and they can take

1027
00:53:09,050 --> 00:53:04,590
people over their entire lives starting

1028
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:09,060
from you know childhood on and the more

1029
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:13,170
he spoke the more my brother's case I

1030
00:53:20,690 --> 00:53:17,130
thought this is all this stuff that my

1031
00:53:24,730 --> 00:53:20,700
brother was saying a decade ago and I

1032
00:53:29,330 --> 00:53:24,740
was you know this was sort of very

1033
00:53:34,359 --> 00:53:29,340
enlightening and upsetting so I I read

1034
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:34,369
the book I will say whether it was just

1035
00:53:38,270 --> 00:53:36,480
suggestion or whatever as I read it

1036
00:53:40,310 --> 00:53:38,280
there were things about it that was that

1037
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:40,320
was disturbing to me personally I can't

1038
00:53:47,390 --> 00:53:42,960
tell you exactly but as I read it I did

1039
00:53:53,539 --> 00:53:47,400
feel uneasy and but it

1040
00:53:55,130 --> 00:53:53,549
really it really did sound like my

1041
00:53:59,049 --> 00:53:55,140
brother's case there was there was so

1042
00:54:02,930 --> 00:53:59,059
much about it that was similar so I

1043
00:54:05,809 --> 00:54:02,940
called information it said on the jacket

1044
00:54:08,450 --> 00:54:05,819
cover that Don Hopkins summers and

1045
00:54:10,940 --> 00:54:08,460
Wellesley and it was summer and I

1046
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:10,950
thought well I called information for

1047
00:54:15,109 --> 00:54:12,960
Wellesley and I said can I have the

1048
00:54:17,180 --> 00:54:15,119
number for but Hopkins thinking of

1049
00:54:20,900 --> 00:54:17,190
course he's not going to show the listed

1050
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:20,910
number but he did so I called him and I

1051
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:24,450
thought hi answer machine days well

1052
00:54:31,999 --> 00:54:28,170
still but hi it was new you know

1053
00:54:34,190 --> 00:54:32,009
hi you know I case my brother I don't

1054
00:54:34,999 --> 00:54:34,200
know whatever I blabbed it on and here's

1055
00:54:37,249 --> 00:54:35,009
my phone number

1056
00:54:41,660 --> 00:54:37,259
and I'm thinking and he's never going to

1057
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:41,670
call me back but he did and so we had a

1058
00:54:48,829 --> 00:54:45,410
really nice exchange and he totally

1059
00:54:51,170 --> 00:54:48,839
thought this took the profile of all of

1060
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:51,180
the things that he had been you know

1061
00:54:57,890 --> 00:54:54,690
hearing and was you know I should know

1062
00:55:01,880 --> 00:54:57,900
deeply involved in also and the first

1063
00:55:03,710 --> 00:55:01,890
one to be treating people in that he was

1064
00:55:07,569 --> 00:55:03,720
doing hypnosis that's another subject

1065
00:55:10,489 --> 00:55:07,579
but he was doing regressive hypnosis

1066
00:55:15,410 --> 00:55:10,499
attempt you know to help people cope and

1067
00:55:17,569 --> 00:55:15,420
also he had established in the support

1068
00:55:21,289 --> 00:55:17,579
group in New York City and had offered

1069
00:55:23,900 --> 00:55:21,299
both of those modalities to my brother

1070
00:55:27,229 --> 00:55:23,910
you know he would see internalized and

1071
00:55:30,739 --> 00:55:27,239
he would offer him support group in New

1072
00:55:34,029 --> 00:55:30,749
York and my brother would hear of none

1073
00:55:36,349 --> 00:55:34,039
of it he just did not want to go there

1074
00:55:39,739 --> 00:55:36,359
he wanted nothing to do with it

1075
00:55:43,460 --> 00:55:39,749
whatsoever and so I did suggest it to

1076
00:55:46,099 --> 00:55:43,470
him and by talking at that time was just

1077
00:55:50,079 --> 00:55:46,109
working with David Jacobs and all the

1078
00:55:52,220 --> 00:55:50,089
whole thing about the you know genetic

1079
00:55:54,019 --> 00:55:52,230
manipulation was just coming out so I

1080
00:55:56,630 --> 00:55:54,029
actually heard that firsthand

1081
00:55:59,720 --> 00:55:56,640
I never read it I mean I heard it right

1082
00:56:01,160 --> 00:55:59,730
from but when he was doing that working

1083
00:56:03,460 --> 00:56:01,170
with David Jake

1084
00:56:06,170 --> 00:56:03,470
they were talking about you know the

1085
00:56:08,450 --> 00:56:06,180
genetic manipulations and hybrids and

1086
00:56:11,900 --> 00:56:08,460
and all of that and you know quite

1087
00:56:14,329 --> 00:56:11,910
terrifying for bud to say you know the

1088
00:56:16,849 --> 00:56:14,339
first person to say this introduced this

1089
00:56:19,460 --> 00:56:16,859
to me well I think they're taking eggs

1090
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:19,470
and you know women and they're doing

1091
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:21,450
these things and you know it was pretty

1092
00:56:28,970 --> 00:56:25,410
frightening but it was in those days and

1093
00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:28,980
and then God said to me independently

1094
00:56:34,700 --> 00:56:30,720
not knowing what my brother had said to

1095
00:56:39,260 --> 00:56:34,710
me you know previously previous yes he

1096
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:39,270
said well it's a possible you have been

1097
00:56:46,910 --> 00:56:42,089
taken and I said you know when I read

1098
00:56:49,609 --> 00:56:46,920
your book I uneasy but no I mean there's

1099
00:56:56,620 --> 00:56:49,619
nothing that I can see here that is a

1100
00:56:59,870 --> 00:56:56,630
missing time scenario so you know he was

1101
00:57:01,849 --> 00:56:59,880
always we had a little bit of a

1102
00:57:04,039 --> 00:57:01,859
telephone relationship for some years

1103
00:57:06,859 --> 00:57:04,049
and he would say well whenever you're

1104
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:06,869
ready you know to be hypnotized again

1105
00:57:10,670 --> 00:57:08,490
you know I have mixed feelings about

1106
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:10,680
that at that time I really did not think

1107
00:57:15,289 --> 00:57:12,720
you know there was really anything going

1108
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:15,299
on and they wondered about that I'm like

1109
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:16,890
well I'm I'm telling you you know I

1110
00:57:24,099 --> 00:57:20,130
don't I don't think so and you know he

1111
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:24,109
was I don't want to say persistent but

1112
00:57:32,839 --> 00:57:31,170
you know he was very persistent but he I

1113
00:57:35,750 --> 00:57:32,849
guess he was just offering it was just

1114
00:57:41,420 --> 00:57:35,760
there for me to do so then we skip along

1115
00:57:43,490 --> 00:57:41,430
a couple of years later and this I'm a

1116
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:43,500
little uneasy talking about publicly

1117
00:57:52,730 --> 00:57:46,410
publicly but I will

1118
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:52,740
so I started having these situations

1119
00:57:59,900 --> 00:57:56,250
where it would wake up in the middle of

1120
00:58:02,539 --> 00:57:59,910
the night and I would hear something

1121
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:02,549
like a whirring sound is the best way I

1122
00:58:10,370 --> 00:58:06,210
can describe it but it was more than a

1123
00:58:15,050 --> 00:58:10,380
sound it was a vibration as well and I

1124
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:15,060
would feel some Terra and

1125
00:58:20,750 --> 00:58:18,240
I would I would have what people I'm

1126
00:58:23,420 --> 00:58:20,760
sure some people and I've researched

1127
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:23,430
this as well could be sleep paralysis

1128
00:58:29,300 --> 00:58:26,370
and that I couldn't move I had no

1129
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:29,310
control and I was screaming because I

1130
00:58:35,660 --> 00:58:33,090
was so frightened and even though I knew

1131
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:35,670
I was screaming I know that there was no

1132
00:58:40,490 --> 00:58:38,730
sound coming out and something happened

1133
00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:40,500
about my house

1134
00:58:45,500 --> 00:58:43,200
whatever the sound was or whatever was

1135
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:45,510
coming from above and I didn't feel like

1136
00:58:51,140 --> 00:58:47,970
I was sleeping and it has never happened

1137
00:58:55,790 --> 00:58:51,150
to me before but I felt like I was being

1138
00:59:00,410 --> 00:58:55,800
taken up and all I remember I have no

1139
00:59:06,070 --> 00:59:00,420
visual of any kind of beings but I have

1140
00:59:08,900 --> 00:59:06,080
the two senses one is a very powerful

1141
00:59:11,890 --> 00:59:08,910
like a punching of the upper solar

1142
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:11,900
plexus from the inside out very

1143
00:59:22,460 --> 00:59:17,370
uncomfortable and that happened at least

1144
00:59:27,890 --> 00:59:22,470
three times that I know of and and I

1145
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:27,900
remember thinking when it happened on a

1146
00:59:31,460 --> 00:59:31,050
couple of occasions think oh not this

1147
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:31,470
again

1148
00:59:38,570 --> 00:59:37,770
and I would say hurry up and just get

1149
00:59:42,500 --> 00:59:38,580
this over with

1150
00:59:43,010 --> 00:59:42,510
like just get it done do it and get it

1151
00:59:48,260 --> 00:59:43,020
over with

1152
00:59:53,210 --> 00:59:48,270
and I had some very bad feeling about a

1153
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:53,220
field across the street and in those

1154
00:59:59,330 --> 00:59:56,010
days my situation was I was alone a lot

1155
01:00:01,760 --> 00:59:59,340
at night and I I did have this feeling

1156
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:01,770
that I had been in that field somehow

1157
01:00:08,450 --> 01:00:06,000
and even now it still hot but I when I

1158
01:00:11,540 --> 01:00:08,460
go by it I have a sudden you see feeling

1159
01:00:15,260 --> 01:00:11,550
so I don't know what that was and one

1160
01:00:19,130 --> 01:00:15,270
could say because of my whole story

1161
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:19,140
I keep an open mind about everything and

1162
01:00:24,710 --> 01:00:22,770
I try to explain things you know in a

1163
01:00:27,260 --> 01:00:24,720
logical manner and one of them is call

1164
01:00:29,049 --> 01:00:27,270
you had been in in the past talking to

1165
01:00:31,519 --> 01:00:29,059
bud Hopkins

1166
01:00:34,940 --> 01:00:31,529
you know but have been planted in your

1167
01:00:37,039 --> 01:00:34,950
praying you could have been going to and

1168
01:00:40,339 --> 01:00:37,049
you know some sort of a stressful time

1169
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:40,349
and it played itself out this way and so

1170
01:00:45,079 --> 01:00:43,170
all of those things certainly you know

1171
01:00:48,229 --> 01:00:45,089
have to be considered and I think in the

1172
01:00:50,359 --> 01:00:48,239
UFO realm one has to be critically think

1173
01:00:52,099 --> 01:00:50,369
about these things like you know you

1174
01:00:55,339 --> 01:00:52,109
were talking to the guy who read his

1175
01:00:56,839 --> 01:00:55,349
book you know you had the sighting you

1176
01:01:00,920 --> 01:00:56,849
have the interest

1177
01:01:03,890 --> 01:01:00,930
so was it planted there or you know did

1178
01:01:06,559 --> 01:01:03,900
something really happen you know and I

1179
01:01:09,099 --> 01:01:06,569
have no proof i I just remember at that

1180
01:01:11,660 --> 01:01:09,109
time that when it would get dark I would

1181
01:01:13,249 --> 01:01:11,670
start pulling the shades down and I

1182
01:01:16,819 --> 01:01:13,259
would think well that's not going to

1183
01:01:18,799 --> 01:01:16,829
stop them but I was really pretty pretty

1184
01:01:21,349 --> 01:01:18,809
frightened and there was nothing like

1185
01:01:23,390 --> 01:01:21,359
talk to anyone about really because I

1186
01:01:26,239 --> 01:01:23,400
was working as a hospital social worker

1187
01:01:30,199 --> 01:01:26,249
I was a new mother I had a child I lived

1188
01:01:33,910 --> 01:01:30,209
a functional life you know to go into

1189
01:01:38,229 --> 01:01:33,920
work and say well you know last night

1190
01:01:43,699 --> 01:01:38,239
it's possible I was taken up it's like

1191
01:01:45,949 --> 01:01:43,709
some crafts and things and whatever it

1192
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:45,959
was just nothing that I could really you

1193
01:01:52,819 --> 01:01:49,650
know talk to anyone about and so anyway

1194
01:01:57,949 --> 01:01:52,829
those were my those my personal

1195
01:02:00,650 --> 01:01:57,959
experiences and you know it

1196
01:02:03,799 --> 01:02:00,660
and after that whenever I would look for

1197
01:02:06,979 --> 01:02:03,809
a house if it had any open field

1198
01:02:09,349 --> 01:02:06,989
surrounded or any open spaces I wouldn't

1199
01:02:12,739 --> 01:02:09,359
I wouldn't buy the house because I just

1200
01:02:14,809 --> 01:02:12,749
didn't want a potential landing site

1201
01:02:18,019 --> 01:02:14,819
although I don't think that's necessary

1202
01:02:21,819 --> 01:02:18,029
and I'll just add this one little detail

1203
01:02:23,839 --> 01:02:21,829
that years later I went back to the

1204
01:02:26,630 --> 01:02:23,849
neighborhood where I had lived with

1205
01:02:29,299 --> 01:02:26,640
those experiences happen I believe

1206
01:02:31,189 --> 01:02:29,309
happened and I was talking to a neighbor

1207
01:02:35,029 --> 01:02:31,199
that ideally didn't know that well at

1208
01:02:37,279 --> 01:02:35,039
the time when I lived there and she I

1209
01:02:40,939 --> 01:02:37,289
don't know how it even came up but I

1210
01:02:42,850 --> 01:02:40,949
said you know I was always afraid afraid

1211
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:42,860
in that house because

1212
01:02:49,300 --> 01:02:45,650
I know this will sound crazy but I used

1213
01:02:53,710 --> 01:02:49,310
to hear that sound in this vibration and

1214
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:53,720
and she and she was one of these people

1215
01:02:58,960 --> 01:02:56,210
who was just the salt of the earth I

1216
01:03:01,930 --> 01:02:58,970
just can't imagine she would have any

1217
01:03:04,810 --> 01:03:01,940
interest in anything other than you know

1218
01:03:08,140 --> 01:03:04,820
your basic things that you can see in

1219
01:03:10,930 --> 01:03:08,150
your day-to-day you know reality and she

1220
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:10,940
said I know that sound I heard it too I

1221
01:03:16,660 --> 01:03:12,290
wouldn't go in the other window

1222
01:03:19,690 --> 01:03:16,670
Wow and that was the only yeah and it

1223
01:03:21,340 --> 01:03:19,700
was the only validation I ever had and I

1224
01:03:26,050 --> 01:03:21,350
said it wasn't just a sound it was a

1225
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:26,060
vibration she said I heard it too so yes

1226
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:28,130
we're at the top of the hour and I did

1227
01:03:38,020 --> 01:03:29,770
promise I was going to share something

1228
01:03:40,780 --> 01:03:38,030
also will continue I think anyone could

1229
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:40,790
ever guess in a million years I think

1230
01:03:45,190 --> 01:03:43,370
there should be a prize yeah well we

1231
01:03:46,750 --> 01:03:45,200
just don't we can't do that because this

1232
01:03:49,780 --> 01:03:46,760
is a live show and you know all that's

1233
01:03:51,810 --> 01:03:49,790
okay but anyway we will take calls in

1234
01:03:56,140 --> 01:03:51,820
the second hour and that phone number is

1235
01:03:59,290 --> 01:03:56,150
603 967 403 or if you'd like to call it

1236
01:04:01,510 --> 01:03:59,300
so here goes and I do want to ask about

1237
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:01,520
the question I'll lead into in the

1238
01:04:07,930 --> 01:04:05,810
second hour is and don't answer now but

1239
01:04:12,940 --> 01:04:07,940
it has your brother ever talked about

1240
01:04:15,850 --> 01:04:12,950
ongoing so what happened was up now one

1241
01:04:18,850 --> 01:04:15,860
of the things I like about your you are

1242
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:18,860
logical and you have a skepticism and

1243
01:04:23,170 --> 01:04:20,450
that's one of the reasons I thought

1244
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:23,180
you'd be a great guest but anyway

1245
01:04:28,210 --> 01:04:25,490
Donna and I'm telling this to the

1246
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:28,220
audience Donna and I connected because

1247
01:04:32,380 --> 01:04:29,930
she started listening to the show I

1248
01:04:38,110 --> 01:04:32,390
think a few years ago two or three years

1249
01:04:42,450 --> 01:04:38,120
ago and also she saw my birthday on

1250
01:04:45,370 --> 01:04:42,460
facebook and it happened to him

1251
01:04:47,890 --> 01:04:45,380
so she emailed me and and we ended up

1252
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:47,900
meeting at a conference and got into a

1253
01:04:53,980 --> 01:04:51,890
conversation we were born I'll just lay

1254
01:04:56,170 --> 01:04:53,990
this out we were born on the same day in

1255
01:04:58,390 --> 01:04:56,180
the same year

1256
01:05:01,900 --> 01:04:58,400
so in our conversation we found out we

1257
01:05:04,329 --> 01:05:01,910
were born in the same town so further

1258
01:05:07,150 --> 01:05:04,339
conversation my sister came out last

1259
01:05:09,490 --> 01:05:07,160
year from New Mexico and I said to my

1260
01:05:13,029 --> 01:05:09,500
sister because my mother had my mother

1261
01:05:15,309 --> 01:05:13,039
had special care with type 1 diabetes so

1262
01:05:17,799 --> 01:05:15,319
she was and used the same hospital every

1263
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:17,809
time so I said what hospital will reborn

1264
01:05:24,789 --> 01:05:21,890
in in Boston and I just said the woman's

1265
01:05:27,430 --> 01:05:24,799
lying in and so I contacted Don and a

1266
01:05:28,890 --> 01:05:27,440
said Donna what hospital were you born

1267
01:05:31,809 --> 01:05:28,900
in and she was born in the same hospital

1268
01:05:34,089 --> 01:05:31,819
so you and I looked at our birth

1269
01:05:36,549 --> 01:05:34,099
certificates and we were born exact we

1270
01:05:39,099 --> 01:05:36,559
were born in the exact same place and we

1271
01:05:41,490 --> 01:05:39,109
were born to the minute one hour apart

1272
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:41,500
and I'm older than you

1273
01:05:48,430 --> 01:05:43,970
that's correct you know what's one at

1274
01:05:53,650 --> 01:05:48,440
7:37 a.m. and I was born at 8:37 a.m. in

1275
01:05:56,410 --> 01:05:53,660
my my first UFO pal that's kind of you

1276
01:05:59,319 --> 01:05:56,420
we had to be sharing the same room then

1277
01:06:01,660 --> 01:05:59,329
well I think we were you know somebody

1278
01:06:04,510 --> 01:06:01,670
could make a story of this I mean what

1279
01:06:06,220 --> 01:06:04,520
are the chances that in anybody out

1280
01:06:09,010 --> 01:06:06,230
there listening to this that does

1281
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:09,020
astrology and and you know you look at

1282
01:06:15,789 --> 01:06:11,690
you want to know the time and this in

1283
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:15,799
the place of birth I mean we it couldn't

1284
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:19,490
be you know any closer and and then to

1285
01:06:26,859 --> 01:06:23,450
have both had sightings which how many

1286
01:06:28,779 --> 01:06:26,869
people you know maybe than this and this

1287
01:06:31,359 --> 01:06:28,789
audience people have but in the general

1288
01:06:34,029 --> 01:06:31,369
audience have had a sighting and a

1289
01:06:37,170 --> 01:06:34,039
passion for the subject yes it's pretty

1290
01:06:40,089 --> 01:06:37,180
yeah it's pretty interesting yeah

1291
01:06:42,519 --> 01:06:40,099
someone just said on the message board

1292
01:06:47,940 --> 01:06:42,529
old bugger's thanks a lot there Shane

1293
01:06:50,380 --> 01:06:47,950
from Australia yes we are hi Shane

1294
01:06:56,349 --> 01:06:50,390
crushing someone wants to know what they

1295
01:06:59,470 --> 01:06:56,359
win because of math you did saber yeah

1296
01:07:01,539 --> 01:06:59,480
you're usually in on the message board I

1297
01:07:05,170 --> 01:07:01,549
am usually in the chat room with your

1298
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:05,180
fabulous chat people so a shout out to

1299
01:07:09,940 --> 01:07:07,010
the people in the chat room and for all

1300
01:07:12,910 --> 01:07:09,950
the listeners that is this is not

1301
01:07:15,910 --> 01:07:12,920
only a great show but if you can listen

1302
01:07:19,530 --> 01:07:15,920
in and become a subscriber and be in

1303
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:19,540
that chat room it's just highly

1304
01:07:24,579 --> 01:07:22,970
interesting and intelligent fascinating

1305
01:07:28,510 --> 01:07:24,589
people in there and it's a nice exchange

1306
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:28,520
and I always look forward to seeing the

1307
01:07:32,050 --> 01:07:29,890
same people in there

1308
01:07:34,750 --> 01:07:32,060
and then new people we're getting some

1309
01:07:37,770 --> 01:07:34,760
new people a number of people I think we

1310
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:37,780
have three from Australia one from

1311
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:42,410
Tasmania and yeah because it's the day

1312
01:07:45,310 --> 01:07:43,490
time for them over there

1313
01:07:48,220 --> 01:07:45,320
so they're listed some are listening at

1314
01:07:50,740 --> 01:07:48,230
work which is great so here we are in

1315
01:07:53,980 --> 01:07:50,750
the second hour and so the question I

1316
01:07:58,780 --> 01:07:53,990
was leading into had your brother ever

1317
01:08:06,190 --> 01:07:58,790
talked again about you know anything

1318
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:06,200
ongoing so through the years again

1319
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:09,530
because I have the interest I would

1320
01:08:14,829 --> 01:08:11,810
broach the subject and sometimes he

1321
01:08:17,709 --> 01:08:14,839
would reveal a little bit to my

1322
01:08:23,079 --> 01:08:17,719
knowledge he did not I don't know that

1323
01:08:24,789 --> 01:08:23,089
he ever sought any counseling you know I

1324
01:08:28,559 --> 01:08:24,799
think he did seek some counseling

1325
01:08:33,999 --> 01:08:28,569
because he had some and again post

1326
01:08:37,019 --> 01:08:34,009
incident he had some anxiety issues and

1327
01:08:42,420 --> 01:08:37,029
he did the counseling whether he

1328
01:08:46,499 --> 01:08:42,430
identified that particular you know

1329
01:08:49,269 --> 01:08:46,509
scenario to them as a trigger or

1330
01:08:53,979 --> 01:08:49,279
anything that he was you know bothered

1331
01:08:57,519 --> 01:08:53,989
about I don't know he continued to

1332
01:09:02,050 --> 01:08:57,529
suggest that I thought possibly I had

1333
01:09:04,090 --> 01:09:02,060
been taken really and yeah and now

1334
01:09:06,459 --> 01:09:04,100
annual and so that left me thinking well

1335
01:09:09,550 --> 01:09:06,469
did they say something but again leading

1336
01:09:11,559 --> 01:09:09,560
you know it's time went on you I was I

1337
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:11,569
was reading all these people and they

1338
01:09:15,789 --> 01:09:13,370
were you know but Hopkins certainly was

1339
01:09:19,870 --> 01:09:15,799
suggesting and and this was again his

1340
01:09:23,500 --> 01:09:19,880
incident we are again it was it was pre

1341
01:09:30,850 --> 01:09:25,990
did you say hey last time I didn't

1342
01:09:34,900 --> 01:09:30,860
remember that part of the story um he he

1343
01:09:37,330 --> 01:09:34,910
he was he was taken in the woods and he

1344
01:09:39,930 --> 01:09:37,340
didn't know what time elapsed I would

1345
01:09:43,510 --> 01:09:39,940
say that I see but the things that we

1346
01:09:47,410 --> 01:09:43,520
were unique about that case at that time

1347
01:09:49,270 --> 01:09:47,420
was that one person was taken and one

1348
01:09:53,770 --> 01:09:49,280
wasn't and that there was an indication

1349
01:09:55,450 --> 01:09:53,780
of having been taken multiple times and

1350
01:09:59,410 --> 01:09:55,460
that they could track him at any point

1351
01:10:02,140 --> 01:09:59,420
which didn't didn't come into a into our

1352
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:02,150
you know collective consciousness until

1353
01:10:11,620 --> 01:10:07,610
I think about Hopkins and then it was so

1354
01:10:14,110 --> 01:10:11,630
this was a decade before so he he yeah I

1355
01:10:18,250 --> 01:10:14,120
think it you know my my feeling about

1356
01:10:21,610 --> 01:10:18,260
that is that something happened to him I

1357
01:10:23,140 --> 01:10:21,620
don't you know can I say I've thought of

1358
01:10:26,050 --> 01:10:23,150
every possibility

1359
01:10:29,890 --> 01:10:26,060
it's he's never he's never reported to

1360
01:10:32,440 --> 01:10:29,900
me that it happened again if that's what

1361
01:10:36,310 --> 01:10:32,450
people are wondering yeah you know any

1362
01:10:40,150 --> 01:10:36,320
future kinds of incidents if it happened

1363
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:40,160
he didn't tell me he certainly fearful

1364
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:44,090
of it was terribly fearful I think he

1365
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:48,290
almost lived a very I'll say limited

1366
01:10:52,390 --> 01:10:49,730
kind of existence

1367
01:10:56,380 --> 01:10:52,400
you know maybe almost want to say harm

1368
01:10:58,560 --> 01:10:56,390
it like but I don't know yeah I think

1369
01:11:04,840 --> 01:10:58,570
yes Martin that's a good that's a good

1370
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:04,850
word for it so either that's it did he

1371
01:11:10,420 --> 01:11:07,610
say that the beings were verbal or was

1372
01:11:11,530 --> 01:11:10,430
this just did he talk about that how it

1373
01:11:14,110 --> 01:11:11,540
was telepathic

1374
01:11:16,480 --> 01:11:14,120
yeah that's what I was thinking wow yeah

1375
01:11:19,440 --> 01:11:16,490
yeah but telepathic there was no word

1376
01:11:24,460 --> 01:11:19,450
and he said that before he before you

1377
01:11:27,820 --> 01:11:24,470
read Budd Hopkins book before he said

1378
01:11:29,710 --> 01:11:27,830
that early on before decade before well

1379
01:11:34,450 --> 01:11:29,720
I mean there were too many things about

1380
01:11:36,879 --> 01:11:34,460
it that even it even at my young age of

1381
01:11:40,899 --> 01:11:36,889
probably early 20s I

1382
01:11:43,949 --> 01:11:40,909
I was about maybe not even 20 when I was

1383
01:11:50,799 --> 01:11:43,959
trying to help him and figure this out

1384
01:11:52,359 --> 01:11:50,809
you know he you know he trying to I'm

1385
01:11:55,029 --> 01:11:52,369
trying to think of how to you know he

1386
01:11:59,909 --> 01:11:55,039
certainly said that they were not verbal

1387
01:12:09,270 --> 01:12:05,080
yeah so well yeah I think if not the

1388
01:12:13,239 --> 01:12:09,280
fact that he was told supposedly told

1389
01:12:15,850 --> 01:12:13,249
that they were watching him and have

1390
01:12:18,250 --> 01:12:15,860
taken him before I mean that that could

1391
01:12:20,679 --> 01:12:18,260
throw anyone into some well that's all

1392
01:12:24,429 --> 01:12:20,689
mine I mean to think that this could

1393
01:12:26,500 --> 01:12:24,439
happen I mean there go any controls I

1394
01:12:28,659 --> 01:12:26,510
mean you know again I'm thinking Oh

1395
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:28,669
Betty and Barney Hill was just I mean

1396
01:12:32,469 --> 01:12:31,010
not that anyone deserves to be taken but

1397
01:12:34,270 --> 01:12:32,479
they're up there in the nineteen sixties

1398
01:12:42,879 --> 01:12:34,280
with no lights going through that

1399
01:12:46,449 --> 01:12:42,889
ridiculous you know whatever very three

1400
01:12:49,060 --> 01:12:46,459
very isolated and you know you know okay

1401
01:12:50,859 --> 01:12:49,070
I can I can imagine it happens you know

1402
01:12:54,939 --> 01:12:50,869
there's a landing and whatever but it

1403
01:12:56,919 --> 01:12:54,949
misses you know but this was a that's

1404
01:12:59,589 --> 01:12:56,929
from one time when I was a one-time-only

1405
01:13:01,929 --> 01:12:59,599
all those you if you if you really get

1406
01:13:03,729 --> 01:13:01,939
into the whole case with Betty in the

1407
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:03,739
later days which I do know about but

1408
01:13:08,409 --> 01:13:06,050
this is not the form for that that's

1409
01:13:12,819 --> 01:13:08,419
another that's another story in another

1410
01:13:14,830 --> 01:13:12,829
case but you know that one-time thing

1411
01:13:16,989 --> 01:13:14,840
because she claims there was another

1412
01:13:19,209 --> 01:13:16,999
there was some other encounter but I

1413
01:13:21,399 --> 01:13:19,219
mean in that particular case the

1414
01:13:25,719 --> 01:13:21,409
one-time thing and this was he had been

1415
01:13:29,339 --> 01:13:25,729
taken multiple times so that is pretty

1416
01:13:34,179 --> 01:13:29,349
frightening and I certainly had a sense

1417
01:13:37,359 --> 01:13:34,189
because of my own whatever that was that

1418
01:13:40,239 --> 01:13:37,369
was happening to me those dreams I like

1419
01:13:45,310 --> 01:13:40,249
I like to take them as dreams and I will

1420
01:13:48,879 --> 01:13:45,320
say that you know again but offered to

1421
01:13:50,350 --> 01:13:48,889
do what hypnosis and my feeling about

1422
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:50,360
that was I

1423
01:13:57,160 --> 01:13:53,810
not want to know I am NOT I do not want

1424
01:14:02,800 --> 01:13:57,170
to know I would prefer to think of this

1425
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:02,810
as a dream or as sleep paralysis I would

1426
01:14:08,169 --> 01:14:04,610
prefer to think of this as anything

1427
01:14:11,580 --> 01:14:08,179
other than what it could be and if it is

1428
01:14:16,209 --> 01:14:11,590
I saw no use in going through

1429
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:16,219
hypnotherapy to find out that it you

1430
01:14:20,830 --> 01:14:18,130
know find out more details or

1431
01:14:23,740 --> 01:14:20,840
re-experiencing the trauma because I

1432
01:14:27,970 --> 01:14:23,750
thought I I won't be able to cope I can

1433
01:14:30,220 --> 01:14:27,980
only help thinking well I mean these

1434
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:30,230
things are happening but perhaps their

1435
01:14:36,390 --> 01:14:33,170
dreams and perhaps it's not real and and

1436
01:14:42,390 --> 01:14:36,400
that was easier for me to deal with so

1437
01:14:44,950 --> 01:14:42,400
you know I am very aware of the the

1438
01:14:47,919 --> 01:14:44,960
psychic think about this if this really

1439
01:14:50,770 --> 01:14:47,929
happens to people how traumatizing you

1440
01:14:54,700 --> 01:14:50,780
think of that they have there is no

1441
01:14:57,490 --> 01:14:54,710
control I mean you have no control your

1442
01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:57,500
being violated and no one will believe

1443
01:15:00,580 --> 01:14:58,130
you

1444
01:15:03,790 --> 01:15:00,590
I can't even imagine I mean I I don't

1445
01:15:08,770 --> 01:15:03,800
know how you know if it really is going

1446
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:08,780
on and had a conversation earlier with

1447
01:15:13,450 --> 01:15:10,730
Alejandra on the phone about this you

1448
01:15:16,510 --> 01:15:13,460
know just is this could this really be

1449
01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:16,520
happening to all these people and I just

1450
01:15:21,729 --> 01:15:19,250
my life would be in pieces if something

1451
01:15:23,649 --> 01:15:21,739
like that was happening to me and Dawn I

1452
01:15:26,399 --> 01:15:23,659
have to ask this question because a few

1453
01:15:29,830 --> 01:15:26,409
people want to know I'm going back to

1454
01:15:33,399 --> 01:15:29,840
know the telepathic was a telepathic

1455
01:15:35,620 --> 01:15:33,409
speech or did he just like visualize her

1456
01:15:39,540 --> 01:15:35,630
intention or just know their intention

1457
01:15:42,550 --> 01:15:39,550
my brother yes Marion I brought my

1458
01:15:44,979 --> 01:15:42,560
experience was it was telepathic there

1459
01:15:47,740 --> 01:15:44,989
was no verbal when they were telling me

1460
01:15:49,540 --> 01:15:47,750
that you know they were just going to do

1461
01:15:52,689 --> 01:15:49,550
whatever they were doing and and it

1462
01:15:55,990 --> 01:15:52,699
would be over and just cooperate and all

1463
01:16:00,459 --> 01:15:56,000
of that so my mind was you know I don't

1464
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:00,469
I can't say and again I still like to

1465
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:03,650
think those were dreams but I mentioned

1466
01:16:07,689 --> 01:16:06,530
actually mm-hmm yeah oh sorry so my

1467
01:16:10,090 --> 01:16:07,699
brothers

1468
01:16:12,419 --> 01:16:10,100
I you know I don't I can't honestly

1469
01:16:15,820 --> 01:16:12,429
answer that he just said there was no

1470
01:16:20,260 --> 01:16:15,830
verbal communication it was conveyed to

1471
01:16:24,250 --> 01:16:20,270
him by his mind so he knew what they

1472
01:16:27,550 --> 01:16:24,260
were saying but there was no actual

1473
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:27,560
verbal I don't know does that make sense

1474
01:16:33,850 --> 01:16:29,449
they were they were able to communicate

1475
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:33,860
their thoughts to him but I can't really

1476
01:16:38,530 --> 01:16:36,290
say speak for him whether it was you

1477
01:16:41,610 --> 01:16:38,540
know in words or whatever they were just

1478
01:16:44,709 --> 01:16:41,620
able to make all of this information

1479
01:16:47,890 --> 01:16:44,719
known and in particular why they were

1480
01:16:50,890 --> 01:16:47,900
interested in him and in fact he did

1481
01:16:52,959 --> 01:16:50,900
have an uncanny ability to you know with

1482
01:16:55,780 --> 01:16:52,969
mechanical things but she was destroyed

1483
01:16:58,720 --> 01:16:55,790
by you know he was destroyed after this

1484
01:17:05,580 --> 01:16:58,730
so how old was he would you say he was

1485
01:17:10,750 --> 01:17:05,590
when this happened to him so he has been

1486
01:17:14,169 --> 01:17:10,760
18 maybe I was 18 oh that's right yeah

1487
01:17:16,330 --> 01:17:14,179
just say that yeah he was late teens and

1488
01:17:17,919 --> 01:17:16,340
I have to you know I have to remember

1489
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:17,929
this you know at the time I wasn't

1490
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:19,730
taking notes because I never thought I

1491
01:17:27,340 --> 01:17:25,090
would be on the podcast UFO show so

1492
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:27,350
otherwise I would have taken better

1493
01:17:33,490 --> 01:17:30,770
notes but yeah he had to be in his late

1494
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:33,500
teens I think I was still a teenager as

1495
01:17:39,729 --> 01:17:35,690
well so 18 ish

1496
01:17:45,399 --> 01:17:39,739
well so you noticed instantly a change

1497
01:17:50,620 --> 01:17:45,409
in his personality yeah yeah wow that's

1498
01:17:53,709 --> 01:17:50,630
really that's really too bad and it made

1499
01:17:57,640 --> 01:17:53,719
me and how it affected me and it was in

1500
01:17:59,830 --> 01:17:57,650
the sense that you know talking talking

1501
01:18:03,430 --> 01:17:59,840
to bud Hopkins and reading with the

1502
01:18:06,959 --> 01:18:03,440
books and knowing that that somebody was

1503
01:18:10,780 --> 01:18:06,969
saying hey this is this is going on and

1504
01:18:14,290 --> 01:18:10,790
somebody has to believe these people and

1505
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:14,300
help them and not you know put them on

1506
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:16,770
the psychiatric path way

1507
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:20,370
of delusional put them on medication

1508
01:18:25,430 --> 01:18:22,010
they're having a break with reality

1509
01:18:27,650 --> 01:18:25,440
they're psychotic I mean that is that is

1510
01:18:33,350 --> 01:18:27,660
what the treatment was I mean if you

1511
01:18:36,650 --> 01:18:33,360
were having these experiences that is

1512
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:36,660
kind of the protocol that would that's

1513
01:18:41,300 --> 01:18:38,370
what would happen you're having a break

1514
01:18:45,170 --> 01:18:41,310
with reality and and bad was really

1515
01:18:50,330 --> 01:18:45,180
innovative in that he had some

1516
01:18:55,970 --> 01:18:50,340
compassion and he would provide a

1517
01:18:59,090 --> 01:18:55,980
support group you know a network safety

1518
01:19:01,820 --> 01:18:59,100
network for people who were having these

1519
01:19:03,860 --> 01:19:01,830
experiences and he was always lovely you

1520
01:19:06,650 --> 01:19:03,870
know whenever I called him he was lovely

1521
01:19:09,530 --> 01:19:06,660
about calling back and offering support

1522
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:09,540
and that type of thing it wasn't totally

1523
01:19:14,030 --> 01:19:11,970
practical factors for my brother to

1524
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:14,040
travel to new to New York and honestly

1525
01:19:19,910 --> 01:19:17,370
my brother's experience was I do not

1526
01:19:22,580 --> 01:19:19,920
want to know about it anymore

1527
01:19:24,530 --> 01:19:22,590
it was horrible and I don't want to talk

1528
01:19:27,140 --> 01:19:24,540
about it and I mean he he didn't want

1529
01:19:29,810 --> 01:19:27,150
support he just didn't want to it was so

1530
01:19:33,050 --> 01:19:29,820
horrible he just and what's interesting

1531
01:19:35,690 --> 01:19:33,060
about his case is that he didn't require

1532
01:19:38,890 --> 01:19:35,700
hypnosis to remember anything he just

1533
01:19:41,750 --> 01:19:38,900
remembered it he knew it right away you

1534
01:19:43,580 --> 01:19:41,760
know when he came from home from

1535
01:19:46,250 --> 01:19:43,590
whatever this incident was there was no

1536
01:19:51,620 --> 01:19:46,260
there may have been a lapse of time but

1537
01:19:53,330 --> 01:19:51,630
there was no you know no need to do you

1538
01:19:57,470 --> 01:19:53,340
know the only reason to do a regression

1539
01:19:59,420 --> 01:19:57,480
is to get game more information he said

1540
01:20:03,230 --> 01:19:59,430
he had all the entry I mean that's one

1541
01:20:07,790 --> 01:20:03,240
of the reasons but he didn't require

1542
01:20:11,750 --> 01:20:07,800
that at all he had as much information

1543
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:11,760
as he really wanted to have and he

1544
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:13,650
didn't really want any additional

1545
01:20:21,020 --> 01:20:16,530
information yeah do you know if there

1546
01:20:25,450 --> 01:20:21,030
was a lot of times people will go into

1547
01:20:28,790 --> 01:20:25,460
detail that when they have communication

1548
01:20:30,379 --> 01:20:28,800
alleged communication that they there's

1549
01:20:33,229 --> 01:20:30,389
talk about the earth

1550
01:20:35,449 --> 01:20:33,239
condition in us how we're taking care of

1551
01:20:37,580 --> 01:20:35,459
the planet or whatever whether it was

1552
01:20:40,060 --> 01:20:37,590
there any other part of the conversation

1553
01:20:43,159 --> 01:20:40,070
other than what you've already mentioned

1554
01:20:47,449 --> 01:20:43,169
no not in his experience there was

1555
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:47,459
nothing nothing like that you know again

1556
01:20:55,609 --> 01:20:52,530
in Martin had I know we were going to be

1557
01:20:58,429 --> 01:20:55,619
here discussing this I would have paid

1558
01:21:01,339 --> 01:20:58,439
more attention but I all I remember

1559
01:21:03,979 --> 01:21:01,349
about his experience is that they had

1560
01:21:07,429 --> 01:21:03,989
been studying him they get pictures of

1561
01:21:10,659 --> 01:21:07,439
him on the basis of his some kind of

1562
01:21:13,399 --> 01:21:10,669
mechanical abilities and there was no

1563
01:21:15,649 --> 01:21:13,409
you know even in hindsight having read

1564
01:21:20,060 --> 01:21:15,659
all the stuff there was there was no

1565
01:21:22,250 --> 01:21:20,070
mention of the earth you know any

1566
01:21:25,540 --> 01:21:22,260
anything you know earth in trouble and

1567
01:21:29,709 --> 01:21:25,550
enough to be nice to the earth and

1568
01:21:34,699 --> 01:21:29,719
ketotic catastrophe might happen but

1569
01:21:36,709 --> 01:21:34,709
something did happen to me and so so are

1570
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:36,719
there any other questions about my

1571
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:38,610
brother's experience and I can just tell

1572
01:21:42,830 --> 01:21:41,010
you you know as much as I know any of

1573
01:21:47,719 --> 01:21:42,840
any other questions about that and then

1574
01:21:52,549 --> 01:21:47,729
I can move on but I did I mean it did

1575
01:21:54,409 --> 01:21:52,559
make me feel you know I had a and a and

1576
01:21:56,149 --> 01:21:54,419
there were no other issues so you look

1577
01:21:59,089 --> 01:21:56,159
at this from a critical standpoint

1578
01:22:01,549 --> 01:21:59,099
whether any other issues going on there

1579
01:22:04,850 --> 01:22:01,559
any other stresses where this was there

1580
01:22:06,620 --> 01:22:04,860
any you know abuse of any drugs or

1581
01:22:09,049 --> 01:22:06,630
anything like that and the answer is no

1582
01:22:11,569 --> 01:22:09,059
so you know you have to rule all those

1583
01:22:15,350 --> 01:22:11,579
things out and I just have that

1584
01:22:17,899 --> 01:22:15,360
compassion plus I had whatever those

1585
01:22:21,469 --> 01:22:17,909
dreams were that I was having that that

1586
01:22:24,620 --> 01:22:21,479
made me feel some empathy towards people

1587
01:22:27,259 --> 01:22:24,630
who may be having these experiences okay

1588
01:22:29,449 --> 01:22:27,269
I'm having we had a number of questions

1589
01:22:32,810 --> 01:22:29,459
or it's been discussed on the message

1590
01:22:34,969 --> 01:22:32,820
board a little bit and I'm Renison to

1591
01:22:36,859 --> 01:22:34,979
ask this question but is your brother

1592
01:22:42,770 --> 01:22:36,869
still is your brother still with that's

1593
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:42,780
it ask away brother still yes younger

1594
01:22:48,350 --> 01:22:44,010
okay house

1595
01:22:53,149 --> 01:22:48,360
doing today oh he's still having issues

1596
01:22:57,399 --> 01:22:53,159
but he never really I would say he never

1597
01:23:01,910 --> 01:22:57,409
totally recovered and I can't I I can't

1598
01:23:04,609 --> 01:23:01,920
say that that was the only thing that

1599
01:23:07,310 --> 01:23:04,619
contributed to what whatever he and we

1600
01:23:08,839 --> 01:23:07,320
were also estranged which is uh you know

1601
01:23:13,399 --> 01:23:08,849
totally has nothing to do with this

1602
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:13,409
issue so we don't talk after my mother

1603
01:23:22,549 --> 01:23:17,730
passed away we we really don't talk but

1604
01:23:26,810 --> 01:23:22,559
I I believe he still struggled with you

1605
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:26,820
know anxiety and depression so yeah Wow

1606
01:23:36,100 --> 01:23:30,570
yeah and you do it's kind of interesting

1607
01:23:38,209 --> 01:23:36,110
that you do hear of that with any like

1608
01:23:39,950 --> 01:23:38,219
another thing there were there were

1609
01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:39,960
multiple suicide attempts

1610
01:23:46,100 --> 01:23:43,170
I don't you know but so I should add

1611
01:23:49,750 --> 01:23:46,110
that but yeah you know and they were not

1612
01:23:53,209 --> 01:23:49,760
successful obviously so yeah after that

1613
01:23:55,879 --> 01:23:53,219
Wow mm-hmm yeah so we're on if you're

1614
01:23:58,040 --> 01:23:55,889
just joining live we're on the show with

1615
01:24:00,439 --> 01:23:58,050
Donna Walker and anyone is welcome to

1616
01:24:03,140 --> 01:24:00,449
call in or you can pose a message up on

1617
01:24:05,229 --> 01:24:03,150
the message board at podcast UFO comm

1618
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:05,239
the phone number is 600

1619
01:24:16,790 --> 01:24:10,610
six seven four o3o so donut did this

1620
01:24:24,529 --> 01:24:16,800
influenced you to get into regression

1621
01:24:26,359 --> 01:24:24,539
hypnosis yourself it did because you

1622
01:24:31,959 --> 01:24:26,369
know that was the key thing that seemed

1623
01:24:36,529 --> 01:24:31,969
I became a came a follower of John Mac

1624
01:24:38,770 --> 01:24:36,539
that was really interesting to me that

1625
01:24:44,419 --> 01:24:38,780
somebody of his caliber or a

1626
01:24:46,970 --> 01:24:44,429
psychiatrist at Harvard that was saying

1627
01:24:50,870 --> 01:24:46,980
this is happening these people are not

1628
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:50,880
lying there's something going on you

1629
01:24:57,980 --> 01:24:53,730
know somebody of that caliber is just

1630
01:25:01,340 --> 01:24:57,990
not going to put their reputation

1631
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:01,350
and at risk and he certainly took enough

1632
01:25:06,410 --> 01:25:04,290
flak for it and but how it did keep him

1633
01:25:10,850 --> 01:25:06,420
on I mean I know he had some challenges

1634
01:25:17,060 --> 01:25:10,860
with that but but certainly my fantasy

1635
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:17,070
was at some point to to help people to

1636
01:25:23,750 --> 01:25:20,970
believe that these things actually could

1637
01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:23,760
be occurring in to deal and treat not

1638
01:25:29,270 --> 01:25:27,330
just for information betrayal but more

1639
01:25:30,890 --> 01:25:29,280
importantly and this is what Benjamin

1640
01:25:33,110 --> 01:25:30,900
Simon was doing that wasn't for

1641
01:25:36,440 --> 01:25:33,120
retrieval of information to write a

1642
01:25:38,830 --> 01:25:36,450
story it was the treatment of the stress

1643
01:25:41,330 --> 01:25:38,840
of post-traumatic stress that happens

1644
01:25:44,450 --> 01:25:41,340
when these things occur and to take

1645
01:25:48,410 --> 01:25:44,460
these people seriously and have some

1646
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:48,420
compassionate compassion for that so

1647
01:25:56,840 --> 01:25:52,610
that did motivate me to delve into

1648
01:25:59,930 --> 01:25:56,850
hypnotherapy and understand what what it

1649
01:26:01,700 --> 01:25:59,940
actually is and you know what was this

1650
01:26:05,270 --> 01:26:01,710
magical thing that you could do to

1651
01:26:09,020 --> 01:26:05,280
people to to put them into these states

1652
01:26:12,230 --> 01:26:09,030
to retrieve this information so I took

1653
01:26:14,750 --> 01:26:12,240
it on very seriously yes we did we were

1654
01:26:16,940 --> 01:26:14,760
we were indicating at the time and I I

1655
01:26:19,790 --> 01:26:16,950
want you to this is very important I

1656
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:19,800
think I want to talk about this the do's

1657
01:26:25,310 --> 01:26:23,010
and don'ts and because this is you know

1658
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:25,320
it's groundbreaking first of all when

1659
01:26:32,270 --> 01:26:28,410
people early on like Jacobs and Hopkins

1660
01:26:35,930 --> 01:26:32,280
were doing it there no one was no one

1661
01:26:40,730 --> 01:26:35,940
knew where to steer the boat so but

1662
01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:40,740
there can be planted suggestive that

1663
01:26:46,100 --> 01:26:44,370
will make someone you know kind of go

1664
01:26:48,500 --> 01:26:46,110
along with their own story so can you

1665
01:26:51,470 --> 01:26:48,510
explain because I know you're very

1666
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:51,480
careful in your logic the do's and

1667
01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:55,530
don'ts and and how you believe things

1668
01:26:59,930 --> 01:26:56,610
should be done and what type of

1669
01:27:02,000 --> 01:26:59,940
information can come out I know you said

1670
01:27:04,430 --> 01:27:02,010
it's basically to treat you know the

1671
01:27:06,050 --> 01:27:04,440
stress part of it but if you would go

1672
01:27:11,130 --> 01:27:06,060
into that I'm very interested to hear

1673
01:27:14,790 --> 01:27:11,140
all this okay so um so

1674
01:27:20,460 --> 01:27:14,800
basically the hypnosis hypnotic no

1675
01:27:24,030 --> 01:27:20,470
therapy is a focused concentrated very

1676
01:27:26,160 --> 01:27:24,040
focused net almost like a meditative

1677
01:27:29,480 --> 01:27:26,170
state that brings you through that you

1678
01:27:31,890 --> 01:27:29,490
can access your subconscious mind and

1679
01:27:34,710 --> 01:27:31,900
all sorts of things are in your

1680
01:27:38,970 --> 01:27:34,720
subconscious mind things that happened

1681
01:27:41,580 --> 01:27:38,980
and dream fragments imagination there

1682
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:41,590
are all sorts of things and so if you

1683
01:27:49,350 --> 01:27:44,050
think of it this way when you hear about

1684
01:27:51,420 --> 01:27:49,360
the oh I don't know the the you know the

1685
01:27:53,460 --> 01:27:51,430
the movie version of what happens with

1686
01:27:56,250 --> 01:27:53,470
hypnosis that you go back and you know

1687
01:27:58,680 --> 01:27:56,260
you whatever you retrieve is is the

1688
01:28:02,160 --> 01:27:58,690
truth and all of that it's like a truth

1689
01:28:04,950 --> 01:28:02,170
serum it it's not quite that way and

1690
01:28:11,190 --> 01:28:04,960
it's very controversial the use of

1691
01:28:12,570 --> 01:28:11,200
hypnosis um you can for example you know

1692
01:28:14,940 --> 01:28:12,580
when you hear about and somebody

1693
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:14,950
couldn't remember the license plate

1694
01:28:19,350 --> 01:28:16,930
number and they just have no system they

1695
01:28:21,510 --> 01:28:19,360
remembered that that can happen I mean

1696
01:28:24,870 --> 01:28:21,520
it is like the subconscious mind is

1697
01:28:26,850 --> 01:28:24,880
recording things and so say you're

1698
01:28:30,150 --> 01:28:26,860
anxious about something and it's

1699
01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:30,160
blocking out that memory you can while

1700
01:28:36,630 --> 01:28:32,410
people basically you have a pattern I

1701
01:28:39,930 --> 01:28:36,640
have a very you know very gentle patter

1702
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:39,940
and put people into this lulling state

1703
01:28:46,650 --> 01:28:43,890
and and they can go in to the state and

1704
01:28:50,370 --> 01:28:46,660
you know get rid of all these

1705
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:50,380
surrounding thoughts and just focus and

1706
01:28:56,610 --> 01:28:53,530
that might free up that memory and in

1707
01:28:58,560 --> 01:28:56,620
the same way if somebody has that could

1708
01:29:00,780 --> 01:28:58,570
that could happen you could remember

1709
01:29:04,110 --> 01:29:00,790
something we you lost or you could

1710
01:29:07,490 --> 01:29:04,120
remember something and you could use

1711
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:07,500
that in a case like a legal case

1712
01:29:16,440 --> 01:29:12,730
although courts are very very don't

1713
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:16,450
really allow that it's used as a tool

1714
01:29:23,340 --> 01:29:19,210
you have to have corroborating evidence

1715
01:29:24,989 --> 01:29:23,350
so in and of itself the hypnosis part it

1716
01:29:27,509 --> 01:29:24,999
is very

1717
01:29:29,430 --> 01:29:27,519
it's very controversial and not always

1718
01:29:33,629 --> 01:29:29,440
admissible in court depending on the

1719
01:29:39,029 --> 01:29:33,639
situation so if something has happened

1720
01:29:42,149 --> 01:29:39,039
to you like an abduction sure you can

1721
01:29:45,509 --> 01:29:42,159
put this person into that state and they

1722
01:29:48,450 --> 01:29:45,519
whatever they've been blocking out you

1723
01:29:51,719 --> 01:29:48,460
can put them into a state and perhaps

1724
01:29:55,950 --> 01:29:51,729
they can remember some details about

1725
01:29:58,739 --> 01:29:55,960
that situation however the problem is if

1726
01:30:01,890 --> 01:29:58,749
it really happened you might be able to

1727
01:30:03,660 --> 01:30:01,900
remember it the problem is that just

1728
01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:03,670
because you go into a state and you

1729
01:30:10,850 --> 01:30:06,489
start recounting things does not make it

1730
01:30:15,149 --> 01:30:10,860
so that makes that it does not make it

1731
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:15,159
necessarily so it's just a tool to be

1732
01:30:19,799 --> 01:30:17,050
used and you need to use it very

1733
01:30:24,060 --> 01:30:19,809
carefully and I think it has been

1734
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:24,070
misused by people who are well-meaning I

1735
01:30:31,709 --> 01:30:26,530
won't use names unless you want me to

1736
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:31,719
about people who didn't have any this is

1737
01:30:40,350 --> 01:30:35,530
very serious you are you're fooling with

1738
01:30:43,489 --> 01:30:40,360
people's minds and they possibly have

1739
01:30:46,739 --> 01:30:43,499
had one of the most traumatic

1740
01:30:50,009 --> 01:30:46,749
experiences that you can imagine an

1741
01:30:54,779 --> 01:30:50,019
entity I mean it's it's traumatic when

1742
01:30:57,930 --> 01:30:54,789
you know you've beaten up by a human but

1743
01:30:59,609 --> 01:30:57,940
can you imagine an entity that you don't

1744
01:31:02,069 --> 01:30:59,619
know if they could come back and what it

1745
01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:02,079
was and you know subscribe traumatic

1746
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:05,170
it's a very traumatic situation and you

1747
01:31:13,109 --> 01:31:09,010
should be dealing with them in an effort

1748
01:31:16,339 --> 01:31:13,119
to heal the trauma and there are people

1749
01:31:20,100 --> 01:31:16,349
who have no clinical skills whatsoever

1750
01:31:23,549 --> 01:31:20,110
who just do this meditative state and

1751
01:31:26,669 --> 01:31:23,559
have people reporting things and I don't

1752
01:31:29,129 --> 01:31:26,679
know really what their skills are to

1753
01:31:32,370 --> 01:31:29,139
help them on an ongoing basis I think

1754
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:32,380
the support group was a certainly a nice

1755
01:31:37,259 --> 01:31:34,570
afterthe I thought Hopkins I he was

1756
01:31:38,869 --> 01:31:37,269
always nice to me and I think that he

1757
01:31:47,629 --> 01:31:38,879
was

1758
01:31:49,580 --> 01:31:47,639
I mean he yes he had this home on Ralph

1759
01:31:51,049 --> 01:31:49,590
Lydia this place in New York I don't

1760
01:31:54,049 --> 01:31:51,059
think he needed the money I don't think

1761
01:31:57,529 --> 01:31:54,059
he who knows how much you know I think

1762
01:32:02,599 --> 01:31:57,539
he was motivated by you know his own

1763
01:32:04,849 --> 01:32:02,609
sighting and really had some empathy for

1764
01:32:08,540 --> 01:32:04,859
people that were having these

1765
01:32:10,219 --> 01:32:08,550
experiences and trying to you know deal

1766
01:32:13,069 --> 01:32:10,229
with them and he did the best he could

1767
01:32:18,049 --> 01:32:13,079
but he was an artist and not a therapist

1768
01:32:20,929 --> 01:32:18,059
so you know I can't speak for you know I

1769
01:32:22,759 --> 01:32:20,939
don't think he was motivated by in my

1770
01:32:24,409 --> 01:32:22,769
experience and he never was so pushing

1771
01:32:27,369 --> 01:32:24,419
us to say well I need to write another

1772
01:32:30,649 --> 01:32:27,379
book Donna so get over here and let me

1773
01:32:32,979 --> 01:32:30,659
let me regress you I mean he wasn't you

1774
01:32:36,889 --> 01:32:32,989
know I don't think he was motivated by

1775
01:32:39,349 --> 01:32:36,899
by that I think he certainly you know

1776
01:32:44,839 --> 01:32:39,359
wanted to document it I think he thought

1777
01:32:50,270 --> 01:32:44,849
it was a you know something that was you

1778
01:32:57,339 --> 01:32:50,280
know hugely important and so anyway so I

1779
01:33:01,310 --> 01:32:57,349
do have this issue with people who have

1780
01:33:05,509 --> 01:33:01,320
limited very limited training and with

1781
01:33:09,020 --> 01:33:05,519
hypnotherapy and no training at all with

1782
01:33:11,659 --> 01:33:09,030
you know you know counseling training to

1783
01:33:15,469 --> 01:33:11,669
heal and heal you know help and heal

1784
01:33:19,849 --> 01:33:15,479
with you know the trauma and certainly I

1785
01:33:24,109 --> 01:33:19,859
have issues with people who are leading

1786
01:33:28,239 --> 01:33:24,119
in any way there is one person who is

1787
01:33:31,879 --> 01:33:28,249
quite prominent in the field who has

1788
01:33:36,049 --> 01:33:31,889
written many books on him you know doing

1789
01:33:40,909 --> 01:33:36,059
hypnotherapy and has an outstanding case

1790
01:33:43,969 --> 01:33:40,919
where somebody did I don't know if they

1791
01:33:46,790 --> 01:33:43,979
they recorded it somehow I think what's

1792
01:33:49,819 --> 01:33:46,800
an audio recording and in that recording

1793
01:33:53,270 --> 01:33:49,829
as I have reviewed it everything wrong

1794
01:33:55,310 --> 01:33:53,280
has happened you just do not lead

1795
01:33:57,830 --> 01:33:55,320
you do not tell the people about other

1796
01:34:00,590 --> 01:33:57,840
cases you're working on you do not plant

1797
01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:00,600
seeds and these people's minds you know

1798
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:03,330
that are vulnerable and it was totally

1799
01:34:11,240 --> 01:34:06,810
unethical and inappropriate and how this

1800
01:34:14,570 --> 01:34:11,250
person continues on it have no idea how

1801
01:34:17,540 --> 01:34:14,580
that goes on but you know I do have some

1802
01:34:20,390 --> 01:34:17,550
very strong you know feelings about the

1803
01:34:22,520 --> 01:34:20,400
you know they hypnosis process and I I

1804
01:34:24,020 --> 01:34:22,530
will tell you for the few people that

1805
01:34:26,990 --> 01:34:24,030
I've worked with on this particular

1806
01:34:31,910 --> 01:34:27,000
subject because that's I'm not finding I

1807
01:34:34,250 --> 01:34:31,920
am registered with the free people which

1808
01:34:36,020 --> 01:34:34,260
is the foundational research I can't

1809
01:34:39,440 --> 01:34:36,030
remember the call they what it stands

1810
01:34:43,340 --> 01:34:39,450
for but it's ray from Hernandez group

1811
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:43,350
that I think Edgar Mitchell headed up

1812
01:34:49,580 --> 01:34:46,890
and so mine means like you know if you

1813
01:34:52,130 --> 01:34:49,590
want to be requests and I'm not getting

1814
01:34:55,900 --> 01:34:52,140
a lot of I'm not getting a lot of people

1815
01:34:58,970 --> 01:34:55,910
I I thought when I did this became this

1816
01:35:01,880 --> 01:34:58,980
regression alatna therapist that of

1817
01:35:04,970 --> 01:35:01,890
course they would be lining up and and I

1818
01:35:07,940 --> 01:35:04,980
will say that I do this for people that

1819
01:35:09,890 --> 01:35:07,950
I do another kind of regression that I

1820
01:35:13,130 --> 01:35:09,900
do charge for but not this I mean this

1821
01:35:16,580 --> 01:35:13,140
is something I see people I see people

1822
01:35:18,740 --> 01:35:16,590
as some people as and this is another

1823
01:35:21,560 --> 01:35:18,750
subject about you know whether you're a

1824
01:35:23,630 --> 01:35:21,570
victim now there there's a new group of

1825
01:35:26,540 --> 01:35:23,640
people that are contactees and they're

1826
01:35:28,580 --> 01:35:26,550
saying no I'm not a I'm not a victim I'm

1827
01:35:31,190 --> 01:35:28,590
okay with this whole process but that's

1828
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:31,200
that's another subject but for people

1829
01:35:38,510 --> 01:35:34,530
who this has happened to I've been in

1830
01:35:43,010 --> 01:35:38,520
I've been in that feeling of not having

1831
01:35:45,710 --> 01:35:43,020
control and all of those feelings that

1832
01:35:49,040 --> 01:35:45,720
go along with it and I feel that I have

1833
01:35:51,380 --> 01:35:49,050
the compassion and the ability and the

1834
01:35:54,230 --> 01:35:51,390
skills to help them work through that

1835
01:35:57,470 --> 01:35:54,240
and I will also say that I have worked

1836
01:36:00,700 --> 01:35:57,480
through my own anxiety with whatever

1837
01:36:04,730 --> 01:36:00,710
happened to me hopefully it was a dream

1838
01:36:06,529 --> 01:36:04,740
and I still like to think that and they

1839
01:36:10,789 --> 01:36:06,539
have left me alone if

1840
01:36:12,679 --> 01:36:10,799
I had although I think I I think I

1841
01:36:14,659 --> 01:36:12,689
mentioned this to you recently if they

1842
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:14,669
got coming in I wouldn't mind if they

1843
01:36:18,919 --> 01:36:17,010
came and got me and took me away till

1844
01:36:23,209 --> 01:36:18,929
after the elections I wouldn't mind that

1845
01:36:25,459 --> 01:36:23,219
actually exchange yeah I think I think I

1846
01:36:28,069 --> 01:36:25,469
think if they could come and get me you

1847
01:36:29,629 --> 01:36:28,079
know and take me I used to be like a

1848
01:36:32,409 --> 01:36:29,639
little afraid but now I'm sort of

1849
01:36:35,779 --> 01:36:32,419
thinking you know my wherever they are

1850
01:36:37,009 --> 01:36:35,789
it might be better so yeah I don't I

1851
01:36:38,539 --> 01:36:37,019
don't know you know and if they bring

1852
01:36:39,559 --> 01:36:38,549
you back after the election I don't

1853
01:36:46,609 --> 01:36:39,569
think it's going to be very pretty

1854
01:36:48,259 --> 01:36:46,619
either either and whatever happens okay

1855
01:36:49,789 --> 01:36:48,269
I promise people I would never go

1856
01:36:57,049 --> 01:36:49,799
political so let's try to stay away from

1857
01:37:00,500 --> 01:36:57,059
me okay yet now I I want to ask you this

1858
01:37:04,009 --> 01:37:00,510
now so I would like to extend this out

1859
01:37:08,539 --> 01:37:04,019
to the listener if there is someone you

1860
01:37:10,939 --> 01:37:08,549
know out there or you yourself have you

1861
01:37:12,679 --> 01:37:10,949
think you're experiencing something and

1862
01:37:16,159 --> 01:37:12,689
you live in New England I'll put it that

1863
01:37:18,279 --> 01:37:16,169
way because part of me the person I

1864
01:37:22,579 --> 01:37:18,289
believe you were speaking about earlier

1865
01:37:25,789 --> 01:37:22,589
that you did not really see eye to eye

1866
01:37:27,709 --> 01:37:25,799
with I believe does some hypnosis on the

1867
01:37:31,089 --> 01:37:27,719
phone and what is your what is your

1868
01:37:34,759 --> 01:37:31,099
thoughts about that as well oh and and I

1869
01:37:38,899 --> 01:37:34,769
had I had a good conversation today with

1870
01:37:42,169 --> 01:37:38,909
my um my friend Debbie Tripp who does

1871
01:37:45,799 --> 01:37:42,179
who has had had some experiences and

1872
01:37:48,589 --> 01:37:45,809
it's into this whole realm herself and

1873
01:37:51,770 --> 01:37:48,599
we did have a discussion about this and

1874
01:37:55,909 --> 01:37:51,780
it was it was nice to get her support

1875
01:38:00,549 --> 01:37:55,919
when we were talking about doing

1876
01:38:04,069 --> 01:38:00,559
hypnosis via phone or Skype I used to be

1877
01:38:06,979 --> 01:38:04,079
Skype to me is perhaps a little better

1878
01:38:10,279 --> 01:38:06,989
at least at my training you know I was

1879
01:38:13,849 --> 01:38:10,289
trained to observe applications for our

1880
01:38:16,549 --> 01:38:13,859
clients for app reactions and so while

1881
01:38:18,799 --> 01:38:16,559
your you know allowing them and not

1882
01:38:20,510 --> 01:38:18,809
leading very important not to leave them

1883
01:38:22,700 --> 01:38:20,520
when they get into the states a

1884
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:22,710
look around - tell me what you see you

1885
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:26,010
don't say well okay gray well are their

1886
01:38:33,650 --> 01:38:29,010
eyes slanted well I mean you you just

1887
01:38:38,030 --> 01:38:33,660
very open-ended questions not leading at

1888
01:38:40,820 --> 01:38:38,040
all observing ice water there's a number

1889
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:40,830
of things you're observing because it

1890
01:38:45,740 --> 01:38:42,810
can be very telling in the process and

1891
01:38:50,959 --> 01:38:45,750
so how anybody can call someone in

1892
01:38:53,750 --> 01:38:50,969
Australia and talk endlessly to them and

1893
01:38:55,400 --> 01:38:53,760
then tell them about other clients but

1894
01:38:59,240 --> 01:38:55,410
they're treating and what they said and

1895
01:39:00,650 --> 01:38:59,250
talk about and and I know some listeners

1896
01:39:04,220 --> 01:39:00,660
out there know exactly who I'm talking

1897
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:04,230
about underwear and send me under you

1898
01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:07,290
know all of this to me you know doing

1899
01:39:14,440 --> 01:39:10,850
this remotely to me is not the

1900
01:39:19,459 --> 01:39:14,450
preferable way with Skype however

1901
01:39:21,740 --> 01:39:19,469
because you can observe people I believe

1902
01:39:23,959 --> 01:39:21,750
it's a little bit better because you

1903
01:39:27,160 --> 01:39:23,969
can't observe them you you you you don't

1904
01:39:29,900 --> 01:39:27,170
know if you're somebody is I've

1905
01:39:33,320 --> 01:39:29,910
regretted people and they start shaking

1906
01:39:35,540 --> 01:39:33,330
and they start having a pre actions and

1907
01:39:38,090 --> 01:39:35,550
you need to be able to address that at

1908
01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:38,100
the time it's happening and you just

1909
01:39:42,830 --> 01:39:39,930
can't see that in a telephone call and

1910
01:39:45,260 --> 01:39:42,840
maybe maybe the Skype maybe would Skype

1911
01:39:50,090 --> 01:39:45,270
it's a little better but I it is I think

1912
01:39:52,850 --> 01:39:50,100
it's a no-no I think it's you know not

1913
01:39:54,040 --> 01:39:52,860
preferable at all yeah okay someone also

1914
01:39:56,600 --> 01:39:54,050
want to know

1915
01:40:01,490 --> 01:39:56,610
pardon me is it with the few that you

1916
01:40:03,590 --> 01:40:01,500
have actually regressed were there

1917
01:40:07,459 --> 01:40:03,600
stories what you expected were there

1918
01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:07,469
interesting stories well um so these are

1919
01:40:14,470 --> 01:40:09,930
more like the objection straight they're

1920
01:40:18,680 --> 01:40:14,480
more um not no they weren't actually

1921
01:40:25,400 --> 01:40:18,690
they're more sort of like I I wanted

1922
01:40:27,320 --> 01:40:25,410
them to come or it's these entities that

1923
01:40:30,110 --> 01:40:27,330
they wake up and they're these entities

1924
01:40:32,840 --> 01:40:30,120
in the house they know that they're in

1925
01:40:34,370 --> 01:40:32,850
the house type of thing it's not it's

1926
01:40:36,740 --> 01:40:34,380
not like a new

1927
01:40:39,020 --> 01:40:36,750
taken aboard and they were taking you

1928
01:40:42,470 --> 01:40:39,030
know sperm so it's not what I expected

1929
01:40:44,330 --> 01:40:42,480
I will say that it is not what I it is

1930
01:40:45,620 --> 01:40:44,340
not anything I thought there would be

1931
01:40:48,950 --> 01:40:45,630
lines

1932
01:40:51,110 --> 01:40:48,960
I talked to a friend today and she had

1933
01:40:58,280 --> 01:40:51,120
the same experience I mean I don't know

1934
01:41:01,129 --> 01:40:58,290
what this is saying but there are all of

1935
01:41:03,229 --> 01:41:01,139
these it doesn't say you know that there

1936
01:41:05,479 --> 01:41:03,239
may be flocking to the Yvonne Smith's

1937
01:41:08,570 --> 01:41:05,489
and they another person that they won't

1938
01:41:10,430 --> 01:41:08,580
say or or whatever but we thought well

1939
01:41:14,240 --> 01:41:10,440
this is kind of interesting and I won't

1940
01:41:18,050 --> 01:41:14,250
take this personally because all I am is

1941
01:41:20,780 --> 01:41:18,060
listed yes in a you know in some sort of

1942
01:41:23,510 --> 01:41:20,790
you know listing for in MUFON or

1943
01:41:27,500 --> 01:41:23,520
whatever for treatment and I'm not

1944
01:41:30,140 --> 01:41:27,510
getting a lot of response and I asked

1945
01:41:32,840 --> 01:41:30,150
them stab on people and I've ology it

1946
01:41:36,740 --> 01:41:32,850
for them as well to be the volunteer

1947
01:41:41,180 --> 01:41:36,750
from the therapist know free of charge

1948
01:41:45,050 --> 01:41:41,190
to help them and I'm not getting any

1949
01:41:46,910 --> 01:41:45,060
calls so so where could someone actually

1950
01:41:49,370 --> 01:41:46,920
a listener say there's a listener that

1951
01:41:51,320 --> 01:41:49,380
either knows someone or they're having

1952
01:41:54,379 --> 01:41:51,330
some issues that they are think they

1953
01:41:56,600 --> 01:41:54,389
want to be regressed mm-hmm how can they

1954
01:41:59,149 --> 01:41:56,610
can find on the free reps your name and

1955
01:42:04,280 --> 01:41:59,159
contact information on the free website

1956
01:42:07,640 --> 01:42:04,290
and also yes the last one the star well

1957
01:42:08,689 --> 01:42:07,650
I would say the free is probably the

1958
01:42:11,390 --> 01:42:08,699
best one

1959
01:42:13,430 --> 01:42:11,400
you know I'm listed with them and so

1960
01:42:16,250 --> 01:42:13,440
that would be that would be the best one

1961
01:42:20,479 --> 01:42:16,260
but my friend and I did sort of think

1962
01:42:22,490 --> 01:42:20,489
like I was thinking well how many people

1963
01:42:25,610 --> 01:42:22,500
are there that are out there maybe

1964
01:42:27,649 --> 01:42:25,620
there's not that many people is it that

1965
01:42:29,300 --> 01:42:27,659
they only want to go to the person where

1966
01:42:33,379 --> 01:42:29,310
they're going to wind up in a book or

1967
01:42:35,450 --> 01:42:33,389
you know it's very curious to me you

1968
01:42:36,860 --> 01:42:35,460
know maybe they're out there and they

1969
01:42:39,080 --> 01:42:36,870
just don't know where to turn I don't

1970
01:42:43,250 --> 01:42:39,090
know I mean I've tried to make myself as

1971
01:42:46,070 --> 01:42:43,260
a as available as possible but but she's

1972
01:42:46,760 --> 01:42:46,080
not seeing a lot of she said exactly the

1973
01:42:48,050 --> 01:42:46,770
same thing

1974
01:42:50,390 --> 01:42:48,060
like where

1975
01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:50,400
is going to be like so busy doing this

1976
01:42:56,330 --> 01:42:53,010
and and and there aren't that many

1977
01:42:59,330 --> 01:42:56,340
people so you know I don't know what

1978
01:43:02,050 --> 01:42:59,340
that's I my answer by my responses I

1979
01:43:06,860 --> 01:43:02,060
don't know you know what that's about

1980
01:43:09,800 --> 01:43:06,870
but yes that was the motivation for me

1981
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:09,810
to to learn about hypnotherapy to

1982
01:43:15,920 --> 01:43:12,810
understand you know with people people

1983
01:43:18,710 --> 01:43:15,930
are going into hypnosis does that mean

1984
01:43:21,470 --> 01:43:18,720
that this really happened to them I

1985
01:43:24,680 --> 01:43:21,480
wanted to understand it when I do thing

1986
01:43:27,830 --> 01:43:24,690
and they take it on I want to understand

1987
01:43:29,360 --> 01:43:27,840
it completely and fully and so I thought

1988
01:43:31,640 --> 01:43:29,370
well I'll just I'll just take the

1989
01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:31,650
training and to understand and so I do

1990
01:43:37,730 --> 01:43:35,610
understand that perhaps has happened but

1991
01:43:39,740 --> 01:43:37,740
it isn't necessary it didn't know it did

1992
01:43:42,020 --> 01:43:39,750
not necessarily happen it it does not

1993
01:43:45,530 --> 01:43:42,030
mean it was the truth does that make

1994
01:43:49,010 --> 01:43:45,540
sense yeah yes so just for the listener

1995
01:43:53,360 --> 01:43:49,020
out there so the free website is in

1996
01:43:56,720 --> 01:43:53,370
Burien sir dot org that's where you go

1997
01:43:57,830 --> 01:43:56,730
to to look Donna up on that in this

1998
01:44:00,890 --> 01:43:57,840
little search bar you could probably

1999
01:44:04,520 --> 01:44:00,900
just type her name in there and went up

2000
01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:04,530
your your under sure your about there's

2001
01:44:10,390 --> 01:44:07,050
a drop-down menu I just can't do it

2002
01:44:14,450 --> 01:44:12,740
but I tell you what the listener if

2003
01:44:17,720 --> 01:44:14,460
you're interested I will put that link

2004
01:44:18,260 --> 01:44:17,730
in the show notes so check that out yeah

2005
01:44:20,690 --> 01:44:18,270
okay

2006
01:44:23,300 --> 01:44:20,700
so if anyone can call in if you'd like

2007
01:44:27,860 --> 01:44:23,310
in that number six oh three nine six

2008
01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:27,870
seven four oh three oh there was I think

2009
01:44:34,340 --> 01:44:30,810
that's that there's another question

2010
01:44:37,510 --> 01:44:34,350
that came up earlier and I forgot it and

2011
01:44:42,410 --> 01:44:37,520
that is are either you or your brother

2012
01:44:46,910 --> 01:44:42,420
Rh negative for blood type I know who is

2013
01:44:51,590 --> 01:44:46,920
asking that question I bet and yes no

2014
01:44:53,750 --> 01:44:51,600
neither of us are negative so that's a

2015
01:44:56,480 --> 01:44:53,760
good question however you think you for

2016
01:44:57,380 --> 01:44:56,490
asking us but now we're both yeah

2017
01:44:59,750 --> 01:44:57,390
positive

2018
01:45:01,700 --> 01:44:59,760
okay all right that is a question that

2019
01:45:05,240 --> 01:45:01,710
does come up a lot because

2020
01:45:09,230 --> 01:45:05,250
you know connection I'm Reid and Tom

2021
01:45:12,950 --> 01:45:09,240
Reid I think and yeah number of people

2022
01:45:16,940 --> 01:45:12,960
yeah our air h- you know they're there

2023
01:45:19,910 --> 01:45:16,950
does I will tell you that you know I'm

2024
01:45:22,340 --> 01:45:19,920
trying you know in the field - I have

2025
01:45:24,770 --> 01:45:22,350
the interest I have some healthy

2026
01:45:28,190 --> 01:45:24,780
skepticism I look at the whole thing

2027
01:45:31,160 --> 01:45:28,200
critically I try to think of any other

2028
01:45:37,970 --> 01:45:31,170
kinds of things that could be you know

2029
01:45:42,110 --> 01:45:37,980
the reality so I have lost at things

2030
01:45:44,990 --> 01:45:42,120
like gee did my mic were there any other

2031
01:45:48,230 --> 01:45:45,000
odd stories and my family and my

2032
01:45:51,100 --> 01:45:48,240
grandmother didn't tell me this crazy

2033
01:45:55,910 --> 01:45:51,110
story that I started putting together

2034
01:45:59,420 --> 01:45:55,920
you know later that she saw some weird

2035
01:46:03,400 --> 01:45:59,430
thing in the sky and you know but

2036
01:46:06,980 --> 01:46:03,410
nothing you know nothing like the

2037
01:46:09,550 --> 01:46:06,990
abduction or a lot of UFO sightings you

2038
01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:09,560
know I know this seems to go through

2039
01:46:18,440 --> 01:46:16,010
family lines but nothing like like that

2040
01:46:22,760 --> 01:46:18,450
you know I was concerned about my

2041
01:46:28,220 --> 01:46:22,770
children you know and my daughter when

2042
01:46:31,700 --> 01:46:28,230
she was three screamed one night and

2043
01:46:35,060 --> 01:46:31,710
just bloody just a bloody is a great

2044
01:46:37,280 --> 01:46:35,070
horrible scream and I went up to her

2045
01:46:38,840 --> 01:46:37,290
room and and I and I will say that one

2046
01:46:42,040 --> 01:46:38,850
when I was going through this whole

2047
01:46:46,040 --> 01:46:42,050
thing you know thinking that possibly

2048
01:46:48,710 --> 01:46:46,050
things were coming in at night that my

2049
01:46:50,120 --> 01:46:48,720
concern was take me but don't you know

2050
01:46:52,640 --> 01:46:50,130
don't hurt my child

2051
01:46:56,750 --> 01:46:52,650
you know I do whatever and it was an

2052
01:47:00,280 --> 01:46:56,760
additional anxiety but she screamed and

2053
01:47:03,560 --> 01:47:00,290
I ran to her side and she said that um

2054
01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:03,570
that the the me anima Rome had come into

2055
01:47:08,720 --> 01:47:05,850
her room and slapped her and she'll

2056
01:47:11,900 --> 01:47:08,730
still talk about this but she was

2057
01:47:14,900 --> 01:47:11,910
feeling some slapping on her side and

2058
01:47:15,560 --> 01:47:14,910
became pretty traumatized and we still

2059
01:47:19,610 --> 01:47:15,570
talked about

2060
01:47:21,290 --> 01:47:19,620
she's an adult now but you know we still

2061
01:47:24,350 --> 01:47:21,300
talk about it so now is in the death

2062
01:47:28,430 --> 01:47:24,360
what was that just you know that I was

2063
01:47:33,170 --> 01:47:28,440
awake and there was slapping and I felt

2064
01:47:34,880 --> 01:47:33,180
it and it was a man and and you know my

2065
01:47:37,550 --> 01:47:34,890
mother had been visiting me at the time

2066
01:47:40,820 --> 01:47:37,560
and we both might recite and and so you

2067
01:47:42,140 --> 01:47:40,830
know again a witness to that and so I

2068
01:47:45,410 --> 01:47:42,150
don't know what that is but other than

2069
01:47:48,290 --> 01:47:45,420
that you know nothing you know through

2070
01:47:55,010 --> 01:47:48,300
the bloodline or historically that I can

2071
01:47:58,220 --> 01:47:55,020
really tell yes oh so like I said so I

2072
01:48:02,300 --> 01:47:58,230
think I have that I have that a couple

2073
01:48:05,690 --> 01:48:02,310
of other things that happened to me and

2074
01:48:06,980 --> 01:48:05,700
I didn't really ever relate them and

2075
01:48:11,830 --> 01:48:06,990
this is where you come in

2076
01:48:14,840 --> 01:48:11,840
I never related them to to to be UFO

2077
01:48:17,320 --> 01:48:14,850
phenomenon at all until I started

2078
01:48:19,970 --> 01:48:17,330
listening to your show and going to

2079
01:48:22,070 --> 01:48:19,980
experiences I went to about their

2080
01:48:24,170 --> 01:48:22,080
conferences and and that's a great

2081
01:48:26,660 --> 01:48:24,180
conference if they're doing it again in

2082
01:48:29,960 --> 01:48:26,670
August um for people you know that want

2083
01:48:31,520 --> 01:48:29,970
to explore this further but I had a

2084
01:48:34,310 --> 01:48:31,530
couple of things happen to me in my

2085
01:48:37,220 --> 01:48:34,320
childhood and I they were just odd

2086
01:48:39,200 --> 01:48:37,230
things and I never connected it to

2087
01:48:43,100 --> 01:48:39,210
anything until I start listening to your

2088
01:48:46,730 --> 01:48:43,110
show and about it and and also listen to

2089
01:48:48,860 --> 01:48:46,740
another one frequently called the

2090
01:48:53,800 --> 01:48:48,870
unexplained - Howard Hughes and oh yeah

2091
01:48:57,970 --> 01:48:53,810
so similar girl but a great show yep and

2092
01:49:00,140 --> 01:48:57,980
and that is when I was about five years

2093
01:49:02,210 --> 01:49:00,150
old again

2094
01:49:05,360 --> 01:49:02,220
yeah I have a very clear memory from

2095
01:49:10,760 --> 01:49:05,370
about 4:00 on in flashbacks from 2:00

2096
01:49:15,850 --> 01:49:10,770
and 3:00 on verified by my mother I woke

2097
01:49:20,510 --> 01:49:15,860
up and I was surrounded by some

2098
01:49:24,890 --> 01:49:20,520
skeletons I thought and it was

2099
01:49:27,770 --> 01:49:24,900
terrifying and I had this episode of

2100
01:49:29,540 --> 01:49:27,780
sort of feeling some sort of paralysis I

2101
01:49:32,330 --> 01:49:29,550
guess I wasn't able to move in

2102
01:49:33,890 --> 01:49:32,340
fine wasn't I told me mother ran into my

2103
01:49:35,600 --> 01:49:33,900
mother's room and she said well you know

2104
01:49:38,470 --> 01:49:35,610
you've had you're having a nightmare and

2105
01:49:42,799 --> 01:49:38,480
think happy thoughts and think about

2106
01:49:44,959 --> 01:49:42,809
nice things to bed and so that's what I

2107
01:49:47,750 --> 01:49:44,969
thought that was I wouldn't even bring

2108
01:49:49,700 --> 01:49:47,760
it up again to anyone except I'm sure

2109
01:49:54,080 --> 01:49:49,710
I've had many nightmares but that one

2110
01:49:55,790 --> 01:49:54,090
was really something and I had a couple

2111
01:49:58,790 --> 01:49:55,800
of other things I won't go into detail

2112
01:50:01,339 --> 01:49:58,800
but sort of strange like that and I

2113
01:50:04,250 --> 01:50:01,349
started listening to show and I had

2114
01:50:07,729 --> 01:50:04,260
found in talking to people have had

2115
01:50:10,459 --> 01:50:07,739
experiences that it seems like things

2116
01:50:14,899 --> 01:50:10,469
like that happened to them at various

2117
01:50:20,450 --> 01:50:14,909
past times of their lives starting from

2118
01:50:23,359 --> 01:50:20,460
early ages around five years old having

2119
01:50:25,459 --> 01:50:23,369
these things and I you know I maybe they

2120
01:50:27,589 --> 01:50:25,469
were nightmares but you know some of

2121
01:50:29,030 --> 01:50:27,599
them just it there seems to be I guess

2122
01:50:31,370 --> 01:50:29,040
when there seems to be a patent and

2123
01:50:33,830 --> 01:50:31,380
trend and now that we have the internet

2124
01:50:36,370 --> 01:50:33,840
we can listen to shows like yours you

2125
01:50:40,100 --> 01:50:36,380
know maybe something upset and this

2126
01:50:43,760 --> 01:50:40,110
interview has resonated with with

2127
01:50:47,120 --> 01:50:43,770
somebody just as I've heard other people

2128
01:50:50,120 --> 01:50:47,130
speak and Debbie Tripp and I had a long

2129
01:50:54,290 --> 01:50:50,130
conversation and we are totally on the

2130
01:50:58,760 --> 01:50:54,300
same page that we we both have had other

2131
01:51:04,089 --> 01:50:58,770
paranormal kinds of experiences that we

2132
01:51:08,390 --> 01:51:04,099
wouldn't have necessarily equated with a

2133
01:51:11,660 --> 01:51:08,400
UFO sighting or these experiences but

2134
01:51:14,299 --> 01:51:11,670
it's curious that you know these other

2135
01:51:16,879 --> 01:51:14,309
things have happened I'm particularly

2136
01:51:22,270 --> 01:51:16,889
sensitive I I guess I would describe

2137
01:51:25,669 --> 01:51:22,280
myself as a sensitive in a path and that

2138
01:51:28,189 --> 01:51:25,679
I haven't in what an amount of

2139
01:51:31,339 --> 01:51:28,199
synchronicities and strange things that

2140
01:51:33,770 --> 01:51:31,349
happen to me happily all experience with

2141
01:51:36,589 --> 01:51:33,780
other people so that I know that it's

2142
01:51:39,859 --> 01:51:36,599
not just me and other people but I've

2143
01:51:43,339 --> 01:51:39,869
heard on your show and Debbie Tripp

2144
01:51:45,109 --> 01:51:43,349
herself has had these kinds of things

2145
01:51:47,330 --> 01:51:45,119
I don't know how we don't know how

2146
01:51:51,080 --> 01:51:47,340
they're connected but captain Kathleen

2147
01:51:55,279 --> 01:51:51,090
Biden and Denise toner have written

2148
01:51:59,029 --> 01:51:55,289
books about this and that there seems to

2149
01:52:01,969 --> 01:51:59,039
be some sort of connection with you know

2150
01:52:04,879 --> 01:52:01,979
having whether you know the chicken or

2151
01:52:09,469 --> 01:52:04,889
the egg were you already sensitive and

2152
01:52:12,589 --> 01:52:09,479
so you drew this to you or is the

2153
01:52:18,379 --> 01:52:12,599
connection with this other entity

2154
01:52:22,759 --> 01:52:18,389
whatever they are did they somehow you

2155
01:52:26,089 --> 01:52:22,769
know provide this or you know instill

2156
01:52:29,649 --> 01:52:26,099
this in you so that's sort of out you

2157
01:52:34,369 --> 01:52:29,659
know out there for some kind of you know

2158
01:52:37,429 --> 01:52:34,379
debate mm-hmm Wow

2159
01:52:40,569 --> 01:52:37,439
okay so I was just looking up someone

2160
01:52:43,609 --> 01:52:40,579
once no earlier what do you think these

2161
01:52:45,349 --> 01:52:43,619
abductions are all about what your

2162
01:52:46,969 --> 01:52:45,359
thoughts are coming up we only have

2163
01:52:50,509 --> 01:52:46,979
about five minutes on the conclusion

2164
01:52:53,270 --> 01:52:50,519
right on the conclusion so the

2165
01:52:56,179 --> 01:52:53,280
conclusion is I have had a journey

2166
01:52:59,869 --> 01:52:56,189
through you know all of this you know my

2167
01:53:03,949 --> 01:52:59,879
conclusion is that there are certainly

2168
01:53:06,589 --> 01:53:03,959
that that reality as we know it is more

2169
01:53:10,939 --> 01:53:06,599
than what we think it is and that

2170
01:53:15,020 --> 01:53:10,949
certainly certainly some people seem to

2171
01:53:21,619 --> 01:53:15,030
be more aware and sensitive to all of

2172
01:53:25,040 --> 01:53:21,629
that that that I am Not sure I would say

2173
01:53:28,250 --> 01:53:25,050
whether these entities for example if

2174
01:53:31,609 --> 01:53:28,260
you know my brother are they

2175
01:53:34,219 --> 01:53:31,619
extraterrestrial or interdimensional you

2176
01:53:38,750 --> 01:53:34,229
know I couldn't possibly like would not

2177
01:53:41,599 --> 01:53:38,760
possibly be able to to say I think

2178
01:53:44,869 --> 01:53:41,609
something is happening and I couldn't

2179
01:53:51,310 --> 01:53:44,879
classify say I my own personal feeling

2180
01:53:59,819 --> 01:53:57,120
dissertation by another realm

2181
01:54:02,850 --> 01:53:59,829
and I don't know if it's from another

2182
01:54:06,810 --> 01:54:02,860
place or this place in another dimension

2183
01:54:10,310 --> 01:54:06,820
I don't know I think we are seated

2184
01:54:11,550 --> 01:54:10,320
I think we have been seated by another

2185
01:54:15,000 --> 01:54:11,560
civilization

2186
01:54:16,950 --> 01:54:15,010
you know I I I guess I guess if I if I

2187
01:54:19,080 --> 01:54:16,960
put against the Walmart and like putting

2188
01:54:23,280 --> 01:54:19,090
me against the wall I guess I think that

2189
01:54:25,350 --> 01:54:23,290
I guess I think that you know I'm into

2190
01:54:32,629 --> 01:54:25,360
the ancient alien I'm into all of that

2191
01:54:39,149 --> 01:54:32,639
I believe that we were seeded by another

2192
01:54:42,060 --> 01:54:39,159
by an alien society and that we have

2193
01:54:45,479 --> 01:54:42,070
been observed for whatever reason I I

2194
01:54:48,410 --> 01:54:45,489
don't think it's I think that it's

2195
01:54:50,850 --> 01:54:48,420
telling that there was an onslaught of

2196
01:54:54,240 --> 01:54:50,860
sightings around the use of nuclear

2197
01:54:57,240 --> 01:54:54,250
weapons around the second world war with

2198
01:55:00,270 --> 01:54:57,250
the Foo Fighters and all kinds of

2199
01:55:03,270 --> 01:55:00,280
sightings may just by heading to Roswell

2200
01:55:05,280 --> 01:55:03,280
and that was all that being tapping

2201
01:55:08,780 --> 01:55:05,290
around places where there are nuclear

2202
01:55:12,990 --> 01:55:08,790
weapons I believe we have been studied

2203
01:55:17,310 --> 01:55:13,000
being studied I don't know why I do

2204
01:55:21,330 --> 01:55:17,320
think we are some sort of a reality

2205
01:55:23,850 --> 01:55:21,340
series possibly for somebody that just

2206
01:55:27,959 --> 01:55:23,860
says let's just put these Truman Show

2207
01:55:30,600 --> 01:55:27,969
right so what it is it's the truth show

2208
01:55:32,879 --> 01:55:30,610
exactly right mine it's like let's put

2209
01:55:36,270 --> 01:55:32,889
these factions down there we're going to

2210
01:55:39,030 --> 01:55:36,280
have every time we're gonna have some go

2211
01:55:41,879 --> 01:55:39,040
to this way and some go that way and

2212
01:55:45,270 --> 01:55:41,889
then we'll just watch them you know kind

2213
01:55:48,180 --> 01:55:45,280
it's like you know that we're always so

2214
01:55:51,120 --> 01:55:48,190
polarized like is that for entertainment

2215
01:55:54,030 --> 01:55:51,130
value and let's add this and what about

2216
01:55:58,379 --> 01:55:54,040
that so you know do I do I have this oh

2217
01:56:00,899 --> 01:55:58,389
I do their instance you know I thought

2218
01:56:04,530 --> 01:56:00,909
that you know they're they're here to

2219
01:56:07,410 --> 01:56:04,540
help us and that you know that may that

2220
01:56:11,490 --> 01:56:07,420
may be true I think it's telling about

2221
01:56:15,420 --> 01:56:11,500
the you know the nuclear situation

2222
01:56:19,350 --> 01:56:15,430
but you know I don't know I mean so so

2223
01:56:24,390 --> 01:56:19,360
in a nutshell I guess it could be any

2224
01:56:26,550 --> 01:56:24,400
anybody but I do feel that you know it

2225
01:56:28,980 --> 01:56:26,560
is extraterrestrial and for people that

2226
01:56:31,830 --> 01:56:28,990
say well they couldn't get here and you

2227
01:56:34,500 --> 01:56:31,840
know that's for a very limited tiny

2228
01:56:37,110 --> 01:56:34,510
human minds that we can't possibly I

2229
01:56:40,170 --> 01:56:37,120
don't think we can understand the whole

2230
01:56:44,970 --> 01:56:40,180
you know physics about it it may be

2231
01:56:46,830 --> 01:56:44,980
that's right the physics exists we just

2232
01:56:50,790 --> 01:56:46,840
have not discovered if we think we've

2233
01:56:53,130 --> 01:56:50,800
discovered all of physics then that's a

2234
01:56:55,860 --> 01:56:53,140
crazy thought and that's what a lot of

2235
01:56:58,140 --> 01:56:55,870
mainstream science assumes there's

2236
01:57:01,470 --> 01:56:58,150
probably a lot more to explore out there

2237
01:57:04,740 --> 01:57:01,480
so this has been great you know I looked

2238
01:57:06,900 --> 01:57:04,750
on the on the website on the free

2239
01:57:12,060 --> 01:57:06,910
website I couldn't find you on that page

2240
01:57:14,310 --> 01:57:12,070
so if you I think we will talk after the

2241
01:57:16,920 --> 01:57:14,320
show quickly and we will I will make

2242
01:57:20,190 --> 01:57:16,930
sure that the listener will have your

2243
01:57:22,860 --> 01:57:20,200
contact information somehow and these

2244
01:57:24,810 --> 01:57:22,870
shortly yeah absolutely I would love I

2245
01:57:27,780 --> 01:57:24,820
would love to you know help anyone who

2246
01:57:29,970 --> 01:57:27,790
you know wants to explore this you know

2247
01:57:33,890 --> 01:57:29,980
further right excellent

2248
01:57:39,180 --> 01:57:36,690
yeah we'll talk about synchronicities

2249
01:57:42,360 --> 01:57:39,190
we've had quite a few of them haven't we

2250
01:57:45,480 --> 01:57:42,370
we we have we have for whatever that

2251
01:57:48,510 --> 01:57:45,490
whatever that means we we have and we

2252
01:57:52,500 --> 01:57:48,520
can certainly have each other to be the

2253
01:57:55,860 --> 01:57:52,510
witness and same-day in our pot in the

2254
01:57:57,030 --> 01:57:55,870
same place and here we are no that's

2255
01:57:58,830 --> 01:57:57,040
right I don't know

2256
01:58:01,230 --> 01:57:58,840
certainly it's been a joy it's been a

2257
01:58:04,950 --> 01:58:01,240
joy being on the side of the chat room

2258
01:58:07,410 --> 01:58:04,960
and and I'm a big fan and I'll be show

2259
01:58:09,600 --> 01:58:07,420
and thanks again for having me and I and

2260
01:58:12,300 --> 01:58:09,610
I hope you know somebody I help somebody

2261
01:58:15,180 --> 01:58:12,310
or you know that wasn't interesting here

2262
01:58:17,310 --> 01:58:15,190
and listeners yeah yeah a lot it was

2263
01:58:19,920 --> 01:58:17,320
some very they're very kind in the

2264
01:58:22,850 --> 01:58:19,930
chatroom too so that's good alright so

2265
01:58:24,810 --> 01:58:22,860
that's it for the show thank you

2266
01:58:28,860 --> 01:58:24,820
alright so that's it for the

2267
01:58:30,810 --> 01:58:28,870
and next week we have Sam moranto coming

2268
01:58:33,000 --> 01:58:30,820
on out in Illinois he's a friend he's

2269
01:58:33,900 --> 01:58:33,010
been on a number of times so Sam will be

2270
01:58:35,820 --> 01:58:33,910
on next week

2271
01:58:38,790 --> 01:58:35,830
so thanks so much for your support and

2272
01:58:41,940 --> 01:58:38,800
thank you for listening live and we'll

2273
01:58:46,140 --> 01:58:41,950
be back next week remember always to